techlusion vs bazzaz vs powercommander vs ecu flash????

Dnyce · 08-09-2010, 11:17 PM

i just (finally) put a full exhaust on my bike, and big surprise, its running mighty lean.

so, from what i hear, the techlusion only adds fuel and is the cheapest, but theres some folks who think its garbage.

bazzaz is expensive and will do everything i could possibly ever want

pc is the old standby, lil cheaper than bazzaz, lil more than techlusion.

all these i can install myself, withoout a dyno. ecu flash im pretty clueless on as far as where to get it done.

im more about trying to have the bike run really really good, as opposed to squeezing the last .2 hp out of it just before redline. so i dont think i need a custom map, but it does need something.

bike is a 2000 gsxr 750, bmc race filter, hindle full stainless exhaust, supersport muffler. ideas, suggestions??

Amber Lamps · 08-10-2010, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dnyce

i just (finally) put a full exhaust on my bike, and big surprise, its running mighty lean.

so, from what i hear, the techlusion only adds fuel and is the cheapest, but theres some folks who think its garbage.

bazzaz is expensive and will do everything i could possibly ever want

pc is the old standby, lil cheaper than bazzaz, lil more than techlusion.

all these i can install myself, withoout a dyno. ecu flash im pretty clueless on as far as where to get it done.

im more about trying to have the bike run really really good, as opposed to squeezing the last .2 hp out of it just before redline. so i dont think i need a custom map, but it does need something.

bike is a 2000 gsxr 750, bmc race filter, hindle full stainless exhaust, supersport muffler. ideas, suggestions??

YES! See if you can find the Yoshimura ECU set-up. That's what I had on my '01 GSXR 1000 and it was the bomb! If not, they also had a ecu reprogrammer but I'm not sure that it would work on your bike. I'll look into it.

smileyman · 08-10-2010, 10:15 AM

Bazzazz if you want a custom map and future potentail for TC or variable mapping.

Cheap plug and play, get the power commander and run the base map for whatever application your running. Specify brand and full system or slip on and they pretty well do the tuning for you. Later on if your not satisfied an hour of dyno tuning should have you good.

nhgunnut · 08-10-2010, 11:01 AM

I have been running the 01 Victory with the Techlusion for about 7 years. if is easy to use but limited as noted you can only add fuel and most guys who who ae running it have noted that there at least a couple spots in the curve where it is very rich.
I use a Power commander setup on my 05 Hayabusa Turbo for the past 5 years It offers a better interface and most tuners are quite familiar with it. It has the advantage of having lots of addo ns to go with it and is really a bit of a standard. Most new product compare themselves to it.
I am using a boost by smith ecu flashing kit on my 08 B King has a lot more in the way of option than the power comander but far fewer tuners that use the ECUDICator software and this is a bit of a challange. ALso flashing and reflashing maps takes about 4 times as long than the PC
Hope this help no experience with the Bazzaz

Dnyce · 08-10-2010, 12:03 PM

i found the yosh ecu, seems nice, very similar to the pc. even the maps are interchangeable someone said... $300 tho-that a good deal? i found a pc11 for $200, pc111 are all $275-$320.

pc11 can adjust timing, pc111 cant.

the techlusion is out, i downloaded some pc maps that would go with what i have, and while they seem to add alot of fuel in the midrange, they also take out alot in other areas...

id sorta like to try the ecu flash, but like you say, the "know how" is hard to find, along with money for the extended dyno time

let me know what you find AL

nhgunnut · 08-10-2010, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dnyce

i found the yosh ecu, seems nice, very similar to the pc. even the maps are interchangeable someone said... $300 tho-that a good deal? i found a pc11 for $200, pc111 are all $275-$320.

pc11 can adjust timing, pc111 cant.

the techlusion is out, i downloaded some pc maps that would go with what i have, and while they seem to add alot of fuel in the midrange, they also take out alot in other areas...

id sorta like to try the ecu flash, but like you say, the "know how" is hard to find, along with money for the extended dyno time

let me know what you find AL

The Yoshi boxes are pretty limited I would check boostbysmith.com if you are thinking of ECU flashing got his box for 200. The PCIII needs that ad on timing module ( I have it) Even if you find the budget finding someone who knows the software (there are several programs for ECU flashing) is the challange

Amber Lamps · 08-11-2010, 01:59 AM

That's why... I suggested the Yosh to begin with... I had a '01 and at that time there was no better option out there. The PC didn't do timing and for real, who better than Yosh to get maps from for a GSXR in 2000-2004?

Dnyce · 08-11-2010, 02:12 AM

true-but now that its 2010, in your opinion, would you pick the yosh for $300 or a new pc ii for $200? they both do timing and fuel....
bang for buck

Amber Lamps · 08-11-2010, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dnyce

true-but now that its 2010, in your opinion, would you pick the yosh for $300 or a new pc ii for $200? they both do timing and fuel....
bang for buck

That's tough... I have a PC on my bike now because Yosh didn't offer a unit when I first got my bike. They quit making them for a while. I kid you not, if I were buying one today for my bike, I would get the Yosh, real talk (bringing it back). I was very, very unhappy with the PC I had on my 00 'Busa and very, very happy with the Yosh on the 01 GSXR 1K. Man, I guess for the money...wait do you have a laptop with a serial port or a serial port adapter? I had to find one when I did my 'Busa. Unless it's changed, the PCII is not USB equipped...not a huge problem but I thought that I'd mention it... Yea for the money, I'd have to go with the PCII, just make sure that the dang thing is properly sealed. Mine screwed up every time I washed my bike. Until you're sure that you can totally trust it, make sure you have the tools handy to unhook it if your bike quits. I have to say that the PCIII USB that I currently have on my bike hasn't given me even a moment of trouble FWIW...

08-09-2010, 11:17 PM	#1
Dnyce flyin high Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: cali Moto: 10speed huffy w/cards in the spokes Posts: 2,318	techlusion vs bazzaz vs powercommander vs ecu flash???? i just (finally) put a full exhaust on my bike, and big surprise, its running mighty lean. so, from what i hear, the techlusion only adds fuel and is the cheapest, but theres some folks who think its garbage. bazzaz is expensive and will do everything i could possibly ever want pc is the old standby, lil cheaper than bazzaz, lil more than techlusion. all these i can install myself, withoout a dyno. ecu flash im pretty clueless on as far as where to get it done. im more about trying to have the bike run really really good, as opposed to squeezing the last .2 hp out of it just before redline. so i dont think i need a custom map, but it does need something. bike is a 2000 gsxr 750, bmc race filter, hindle full stainless exhaust, supersport muffler. ideas, suggestions?? __________________ "Racing Is Life, Everything Before and After is Just Waiting" Steve McQueen

08-10-2010, 10:15 AM	#3
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	Bazzazz if you want a custom map and future potentail for TC or variable mapping. Cheap plug and play, get the power commander and run the base map for whatever application your running. Specify brand and full system or slip on and they pretty well do the tuning for you. Later on if your not satisfied an hour of dyno tuning should have you good. __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst! Last edited by smileyman; 08-10-2010 at 10:17 AM..

08-10-2010, 11:01 AM	#4
nhgunnut gun totin redneck Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South West New Hampshire Moto: turbo busa 999 Duc Goldwing & Victory Posts: 1,130	I have been running the 01 Victory with the Techlusion for about 7 years. if is easy to use but limited as noted you can only add fuel and most guys who who ae running it have noted that there at least a couple spots in the curve where it is very rich. I use a Power commander setup on my 05 Hayabusa Turbo for the past 5 years It offers a better interface and most tuners are quite familiar with it. It has the advantage of having lots of addo ns to go with it and is really a bit of a standard. Most new product compare themselves to it. I am using a boost by smith ecu flashing kit on my 08 B King has a lot more in the way of option than the power comander but far fewer tuners that use the ECUDICator software and this is a bit of a challange. ALso flashing and reflashing maps takes about 4 times as long than the PC Hope this help no experience with the Bazzaz __________________ Evolution requires a body count, Count or be Counted!

08-10-2010, 12:03 PM	#5
Dnyce flyin high Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: cali Moto: 10speed huffy w/cards in the spokes Posts: 2,318	i found the yosh ecu, seems nice, very similar to the pc. even the maps are interchangeable someone said... $300 tho-that a good deal? i found a pc11 for $200, pc111 are all $275-$320. pc11 can adjust timing, pc111 cant. the techlusion is out, i downloaded some pc maps that would go with what i have, and while they seem to add alot of fuel in the midrange, they also take out alot in other areas... id sorta like to try the ecu flash, but like you say, the "know how" is hard to find, along with money for the extended dyno time let me know what you find AL __________________ "Racing Is Life, Everything Before and After is Just Waiting" Steve McQueen Last edited by Dnyce; 08-10-2010 at 01:15 PM..

08-11-2010, 02:12 AM	#8
Dnyce flyin high Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: cali Moto: 10speed huffy w/cards in the spokes Posts: 2,318	true-but now that its 2010, in your opinion, would you pick the yosh for $300 or a new pc ii for $200? they both do timing and fuel.... bang for buck __________________ "Racing Is Life, Everything Before and After is Just Waiting" Steve McQueen

08-11-2010, 01:59 AM	#7
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	That's why... I suggested the Yosh to begin with... I had a '01 and at that time there was no better option out there. The PC didn't do timing and for real, who better than Yosh to get maps from for a GSXR in 2000-2004?