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[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Trip

So basically because we hold ourselves up, we feel our weight.

and when we fall with nothing supporting us.

"In the absence of this force, a person would be in free-fall, and would experience weightlessness."

Exactly, meaning that it's a change you can feel.

[Archren]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

I actually have video of that. I'll post it later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxvsHNRXLjw

And somewhat related, since it's the same concept, but in zero atmosphere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Exactly, meaning that it's a change you can feel.

That's why I said his force from when he stepped off he would feel until he entered true free fall, then he would pretty much feel weightless like he wasn't falling. That's pretty much what we have been saying all along.

[dReWpY]

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Originally Posted by dReWpY

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[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Right, because Einstein said anything about the effects of weightlessness on the body.

WTF? Einstein's theory or general relativity is based all on gravity and nothing is more important to his study of the affects of gravity than how gravity affects us in a vacuum.

The only possible way your idea of how the molecules within the body vs the entire unit would actually differ in free fall would be due to the molecules closer to the more dense bones slowing down with time as the molecules on your skin being faster in time since they aren't near a larger mass object. The only place with free fall capable of having that affect is if Felix jumped into a black hole. Or if he was near the speed of light.

Monkey getting shot with an arrow. Which if say the arrow came out a velocity only enough to get it 3 ft on the floor but you removed the floor for an indefinite amount, it'd eventualy reach the monkey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48dk...ature=youtu.be

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Trip

We have nothing capable of reaching deep fucking space. Even in deep space, there are probably tiny forces from distant universes. Wonder if there is anywhere with 0 gravity.

We'll never know. We can't even see the end of the universe. What we see of the Universe and what is actually the Universe is equivilent to the significance of 1 atom to our visible universe.

I've wonderered if you were suddenly able to pop into a part of the universe with 0 gravity. No dark matter/energy/gravity/etc. If you could do that would you then collapse into a black hole and possible create a big bang yourself?

[Archren]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

We'll never know. We can't even see the end of the universe. What we see of the Universe and what is actually the Universe is equivilent to the significance of 1 atom to our visible universe.

I've wonderered if you were suddenly able to pop into a part of the universe with 0 gravity. No dark matter/energy/gravity/etc. If you could do that would you then collapse into a black hole and possible create a big bang yourself?

Well, that depends on if gravity is a function of smaller forces. I'm pretty rusty on my theoretical physics - and even my mom (PhD in this stuff) hasn't worked in the field in years. Is gravity a force that exists independently of the forces that hold atoms together (electromagnetic, weak/strong forces, etc.), or are they interrelated?



TWF... the only place where a thread can go from talking about a dude skydiving to talking about deep space and gravitational forces.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

WTF? Einstein's theory or general relativity is based all on gravity and nothing is more important to his study of the affects of gravity than how gravity affects us in a vacuum.

The only possible way your idea of how the molecules within the body vs the entire unit would actually differ in free fall would be due to the molecules closer to the more dense bones slowing down with time as the molecules on your skin being faster in time since they aren't near a larger mass object. The only place with free fall capable of having that affect is if Felix jumped into a black hole. Or if he was near the speed of light.

Monkey getting shot with an arrow. Which if say the arrow came out a velocity only enough to get it 3 ft on the floor but you removed the floor for an indefinite amount, it'd eventualy reach the monkey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48dk...ature=youtu.be

Dude, who is arguing that a dart wouldn't fall at the same rate as a monkey? ALL objects will fall at the same rate, unless one of them has a surface area to mass ratio significant enough to increase drag. We already knew this.

Look, I was wrong about the bottled water example..... But the fact remains that you DO feel a fall, because there is a sudden cessation of the mechanical sensation of weight on the body. This causes a different sensation within the ligaments, tissues & organs inside the body. And that "feeling" is gonna happen regardless if you are jumping within a vacuum or a regular atmosphere. You don't need wind or eyesight to know you're failling. That was my whole disagreement with you guys.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Look, I was wrong about the bottled water example..... But the fact remains that you DO feel a fall, because there is a sudden cessation of the mechanical sensation of weight on the body. This causes a different sensation within the ligaments, tissues & organs inside the body. And that "feeling" is gonna happen regardless if you are jumping within a vacuum or a regular atmosphere. You don't need wind or eyesight to know you're failling. That was my whole disagreement with you guys.

Dude, even your quote said a freefall would make you feel weightless. And one of the dudes that actually made the jump that high has actually said he was scared he wasn't falling.

Now back to the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD95-QJMiOs