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[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Same as ovechkin, he's a big, tough goal scorer, but he isnt an all around player, no matter what support he does or doesnt have.

COME ON. You can't be seriously saying Crosby plays better defense than Ovechkin??? Sidney Crosby??? That fairy puff?? Thats just rediculous. I'm on the ice crew for the Jackets, (aka the Columbus Blow Jobs) and have been on the same bench as Crosby. I've spent a whole game just watching and breaking down Crosby and Malkin from 10 feet away. Shit Malkin plays better defense than Sid. I have no respect for a star that lets his big boys watch his back. Sure he isnt as big as Ovechkin, but shit, ovechkin puts his body on the line every night.

Originally Posted by karl_1052

Apoc is our special canadian. Sort of like Strongsad.

[Apoc]

your full of shit. Crosby works harder and outplays both of them. See what girly man Malkin did in the games without Crosby feeding him? Nada, a quick trip home, gtfo.

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by Apoc

your full of shit. Crosby works harder and outplays both of them. See what girly man Malkin did in the games without Crosby feeding him? Nada, a quick trip home, gtfo.

Come on man, were not talking about teams here. Dont take that out of context. The only reason Canada wiped through everybody was because the roster was chocked full of superstars and captains. Every other team had one or two, but Canada had like fucking 13. Canada was the best fucking team, just amazing!

Girly man Malkin though??? Have you ever seen the guy in person?? Wait, have you ever seen any of these guys in person. No? I'm not knocking Sid's talent at all, but he is a tiny premadonna punk. I skated right past him in pre-warmups before they had any gear on. I wouldnt even go near Malkin. I have no idea where you are coming up with "girly man Malkin". Malkin is one of the bodies that is protecting Sid game in and game out. Don't make up stuff to prove a point.

Lets talk stats though. Numbers talk.

Hart Memorial Trophy- Ovechkin 2, Crosby 1, Malkin 0
Art Ross Trophy- Ovechkin 1, Crosby 1, Malkin 1
Lester B Pearson- Ovechkin 2, Crosby 1, Malkin 1
Maurice Rocket Richard- Ovechkin 2, Crosby 0, Malkin 0
Calder Memorial- Ovechkin 1, Crosby 0, Malkin 1

So Ovechkin has 8 major League Awards, Crosby has 3, and Malkin has 3. Yes, Crosby has the major trophy in Mr Stanley's cup, but we aren't talking about teams here. Take Ovechkin out, and take Crosby out, and Pittsburgh is a much more complete team than Washington.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by Apoc

your full of shit. Crosby works harder and outplays both of them. See what girly man Malkin did in the games without Crosby feeding him? Nada, a quick trip home, gtfo.

Um, besides the winning goal, Crosby did nothing in the last 3 games of the olympics.

Ovechkin is the best player in the league right now.

Originally Posted by Porkchop

COME ON. You can't be seriously saying Crosby plays better defense than Ovechkin??? Sidney Crosby??? That fairy puff?? Thats just rediculous. I'm on the ice crew for the Jackets, (aka the Columbus Blow Jobs) and have been on the same bench as Crosby. I've spent a whole game just watching and breaking down Crosby and Malkin from 10 feet away. Shit Malkin plays better defense than Sid. I have no respect for a star that lets his big boys watch his back. Sure he isnt as big as Ovechkin, but shit, ovechkin puts his body on the line every night.

Crosby plays more like gretzky did. He relies on bigger guys to keep him out of trouble, while he gets the goals and glory.
Ovechkin is a more complete hockey player.

[Tmall]

"Have you seen any of these guys?" I think everybody up here knows of or is a friend of a friend with a few nhl'ers..

Luongo played for our junior team that's not 20 minutes away from our home town in NB. Crosby is from one town over from where I'm living now. Nagi played for Halifax's junior team.

Nope, never seen one of these guys play in person..

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Tmall

"Have you seen any of these guys?" I think everybody up here knows of or is a friend of a friend with a few nhl'ers..

Luongo played for our junior team that's not 20 minutes away from our home town in NB. Crosby is from one town over from where I'm living now. Nagi played for Halifax's junior team.

Nope, never seen one of these guys play in person..

Ya, theres no NHL in Canada.

Pork Chop is retarded. Crosby is 5'11, 200lbs. Hardly 'tiny'..

And Karl, Ovechkin isn't even the second best player in the league.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Porkchop

Hart Memorial Trophy- Ovechkin 2, Crosby 1, Malkin 0
Art Ross Trophy- Ovechkin 1, Crosby 1, Malkin 1
Lester B Pearson- Ovechkin 2, Crosby 1, Malkin 1
Maurice Rocket Richard- Ovechkin 2, Crosby 0, Malkin 0
Calder Memorial- Ovechkin 1, Crosby 0, Malkin 1

Oh, you forgot two....

Gold Medals: Crosby 1, Ovechkin 0
Stanley Cups: Crosby 1, Ovechkin 0

what do you know, they are the two that count most too.

I watch as much hockey as you do Porkchop, and I've seen them all play. Ovechkin is a showoff goal scorer, nothing more. Crosby works his ass off.. Crosby is the better all around player, any day of the week. Hell, Nash is a better player than Ovechkin. He just needs a team around him.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Oh, you forgot two....

Gold Medals: Crosby 1, Ovechkin 0
Stanley Cups: Crosby 1, Ovechkin 0

what do you know, they are the two that count most too.

I watch as much hockey as you do Porkchop, and I've seen them all play. Ovechkin is a showoff goal scorer, nothing more. Crosby works his ass off.. Crosby is the better all around player, any day of the week. Hell, Nash is a better player than Ovechkin. He just needs a team around him.

You might be changing that stanley cup ranking to 1 for ovechkin this year.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

You might be changing that stanley cup ranking to 1 for ovechkin this year.

good, he deserves it. I dont hate the guy, I just think the kid is better everywhere but in front of the net. And he really isnt lacking there either.

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Ya, theres no NHL in Canada.

Pork Chop is retarded. Crosby is 5'11, 200lbs. Hardly 'tiny'..

And Karl, Ovechkin isn't even the second best player in the league.

Say what you will about me. 5' 11 is a padded number. Almost all small athletes have padded numbers. I'm 6' 2. Dude is small....

Originally Posted by Apoc

Oh, you forgot two....

Gold Medals: Crosby 1, Ovechkin 0
Stanley Cups: Crosby 1, Ovechkin 0

what do you know, they are the two that count most too.

I watch as much hockey as you do Porkchop, and I've seen them all play. Ovechkin is a showoff goal scorer, nothing more. Crosby works his ass off.. Crosby is the better all around player, any day of the week. Hell, Nash is a better player than Ovechkin. He just needs a team around him.

Hey Apoc can you read????

"Yes, Crosby has the major trophy in Mr Stanley's cup, but we aren't talking about teams here. Take Ovechkin out, and take Crosby out, and Pittsburgh is a much more complete team than Washington. "

You keep going back to teams and team awards here. So far your argument has been been complete shit. You have yet to even begin to explain how Crosby is a better player. Only that he has a "gold medal". He is a GREAT player. I can only dream of the talent that guy possesses on the ice. But I dont like players who get protected all game and stand at the goalpost waiting for passes and junk rebounds. I do that..... because I don't have skill. Shit, there are multple people on the Canadian team that I think are better players. And I like Nash, but I think he gets lazy at times.