Never Mind the Giant Flat-Screen TV...

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

I didn't say all but he's acting like all college grass have huge loans and blow their money. My gf hasn't taken any loans for school and graduates this year. It's not all black and white...

Whatever man, after talking to some of our officer's about their loan debt I'm glad I went the way I did. Even if the hazy deployment picture has deterred me from starting college just yet.


Thinking about your bike comment earlier...didn't your k6 receive its salvage status under your ownership? I remember you buying it back after at least one deerstrike and as such I don't think its admissable as a sympathy lure

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

It's funny but I don't think that I'm actually disagreeing with most of the sentimate here except the premise that poor white people work their way out of poverty while poor black people lay around and work the system.... I understand that we are talking economics AND race here. What strikes me is the premise that we (blacks) don't make any effort to get out of poverty. I think that there are education issues, cultural issues and mostly attitude issues that need to be addressed before any real change will come about.

I don't see anyone saying what you are putting out in this post. Some welfare recipients work their way out of poverty, regardless of their race. Others lay around and work the system, regardless of their race. Being lazy is an equal opportunity thing.

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

I didn't say all but he's acting like all college grass have huge loans and blow their money. My gf hasn't taken any loans for school and graduates this year. It's not all black and white...

I could be wrong, but I thought her parents or grandparents or something paying for her college, or was that just paying for her bike?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Well....you are.

okay "pot" go ahead and call me black....

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

okay "pot" go ahead and call me black....

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Dave

Whatever man, after talking to some of our officer's about their loan debt I'm glad I went the way I did. Even if the hazy deployment picture has deterred me from starting college just yet.


Thinking about your bike comment earlier...didn't your k6 receive its salvage status under your ownership? I remember you buying it back after at least one deerstrike and as such I don't think its admissable as a sympathy lure

Oh not sympathy, just answering to the "doing quite well" comment, that's all. I don't look at my situation as well off or wealthy by any means...

Besides, the point was (as far as I can remember now ) that a black kid from the hood has the same exact opportunities in this country as an upper middle class white kid from the suburbs. Not all kids have to take out loans to go to school. Again, I'm not saying that the military is necessarily a BAD choice but I think that it's sad when it's the "best" or "only" choice. I also don't see it as the "solution" for the county's welfare problem, especially since most of the people on welfare are women, if I'm not mistaken. Do you all really think that we want to bring a bunch of single mom's into the armed services? Really. Heck, for that matter, do we really need more criminals in the Army? You all do understand that most of the people in prison started down that path WELL before they would have been old enough to join the military, right? We have to change the pattern a lot earlier than their 18th birthdays my friends.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by goof2

I don't see anyone saying what you are putting out in this post. Some welfare recipients work their way out of poverty, regardless of their race. Others lay around and work the system, regardless of their race. Being lazy is an equal opportunity thing.



I could be wrong, but I thought her parents or grandparents or something paying for her college, or was that just paying for her bike?

Yea she works, gets grants and gets money from her family for school. My point is that going to college doesn't automatically mean that you have to incur a six figure debt is all...

Here's the problem that I have with this whole discussion. It is predicated on the premise that we are ALL created equal and that my friends is definitely not the case.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Yea she works, gets grants and gets money from her family for school. My point is that going to college doesn't automatically mean that you have to incur a six figure debt is all...

Here's the problem that I have with this whole discussion. It is predicated on the premise that we are ALL created equal and that my friends is definitely not the case.

Despite some fancy language to the contrary I agree that we are all not "created" equally. In my opinion though those who spend their lives gaming the public assistance system are pretty equal, no matter what color their skin happens to be.

[Avatard]

You need to ratchet it down a tad.

Not everyone's gonna be a fucking rocket scientist.

Someone's gonna need to flip the burgers.

Damn good thing we're not all created equally, you'd be cooking for yourself.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by goof2

Despite some fancy language to the contrary I agree that we are all not "created" equally. In my opinion though those who spend their lives gaming the public assistance system are pretty equal, no matter what color their skin happens to be.

Here's the thing that several people here seem to miss, NOT ALL PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE "GAMING" THE SYSTEM!!! A lot of people here talk as if people on welfare can get off whenever they want but choose to stay on because they are lazy. That they have exactly the same opportunities as anyone else but have chosen this lifestyle. That is absurd. I'm not saying that doesn't describe some of the people on welfare but all?

[tallywacker]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Here's the thing that several people here seem to miss, NOT ALL PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE "GAMING" THE SYSTEM!!! A lot of people here talk as if people on welfare can get off whenever they want but choose to stay on because they are lazy. That they have exactly the same opportunities as anyone else but have chosen this lifestyle. That is absurd. I'm not saying that doesn't describe some of the people on welfare but all?

I would say a majority. I haven't meet many that actually deserve it.