I hope you die Polaris - Page 2

Amber Lamps · 12-25-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gas Man

There is lots of blame to go around but this isn't the answer to the problem.

They can't cut wages/benefits without a strike... if your boss came to you and said that they need to cut your salary 30% in order to stay in business, what would you say?

Gas Man · 12-25-2010, 05:09 PM

Can I get a promotion?

racedoll · 12-25-2010, 05:31 PM

This sucks. I hate that manufacturing is taken out of this country.

The company I work for supplies Polaris though not enough to matter for our bottom line.

smileyman · 12-25-2010, 08:51 PM

I have no idea if Polaris workers have a union or not. I can tell you that the corps I refer to make a profit certainly. But selling out US jobs for cheaper foreign labor will eventually run them out of customers. No national economy can run off pure consupmtion. There has to be manufacturing, agriculture, and value added. Other wise the 2/3 s of our economy stimulated by consumer consumption stalls out and guess who we belong to then? The people that have the capitol to build and buy.

Particle Man · 12-25-2010, 08:52 PM

Meanwhile, Arctic Cat is bringing the manufacturing of their engines back INhouse.

Amber Lamps · 12-25-2010, 11:28 PM

We are so solving the world's social/economic woes here lately...

Bike sales are down, what would you have them do?

Btw Mexicans do buy things...just saying. I realize that we are huge but to say that a company will collaspe if they don't manufacture their products here is kinda silly, don't you all think?

There are several products on our shelves and in our homes that are only manufactured overseas. Those companies seem to be doing quite well, thank you very much.

There are several factors that have precipitated our loss of manufacturing in this country. You can't really point at one thing (like NAFTA) and say, "That's the reason". It's a process that has been building for decades. We went from inventing and monopolizing the television market to almost zero presence in under 30 years. Who's fault is that?

When Curtis Mathis rolled the last totally American TV off the line back in the 80s (I think), NAFTA hadn't even been heard of. Yet the manufacture and sale of TVs seems to be flourishing... Gee how is that possible?

If the time comes when all motorcycles are made overseas, I seriously doubt that they will stop being sold here. What we have done in the past is what we will have to do in the future. Find new products to manufacture and sell...it's really that simple. We were #1 in electronics-not anymore. We were #1 in furniture-not anymore. We were #1 in automobiles-not anymore. We were #1 in motorcycles-not anymore. We can't keep crying over yesterday's spilled milk and continue to try and hold on to the past. Companies have to be run with a eye on the bottom line. Sentimate in business is an almost sure way to guarantee a company's demise. Would you rather they go out of business completely?

Arai made hats, Suzuki made textile machines, Yamaha made pianos, Alpinestars made ski boots, BMW made airplanes, etc... We need to adapt or die, simple as that.

Amber Lamps · 12-25-2010, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Particle Man

Meanwhile, Arctic Cat is bringing the manufacturing of their engines back INhouse.

Probably because it makes economic sense...

Particle Man · 12-26-2010, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Probably because it makes economic sense...

Yep.

nhgunnut · 12-26-2010, 09:09 AM

While I hat the idea that 500 more are loosing their jobs, what often gets missed is that probably 10 of thousands of stockholders (that includes peoples pension plans) will either make a bit more or lose a little less.
None of this is new, HD has made sporters in central and south america for a while now as well as opening a plant in India.

Particle Man · 12-26-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nhgunnut

None of this is new, HD has made sporters in central and south america for a while now as well as opening a plant in India.

But, but, HD is made in the USA and all other makes are EVIL!

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12-25-2010, 05:31 PM	#13
racedoll AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: '04 Kawasaki ZX6RR Posts: 3,392	This sucks. I hate that manufacturing is taken out of this country. The company I work for supplies Polaris though not enough to matter for our bottom line.

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Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	Meanwhile, Arctic Cat is bringing the manufacturing of their engines back INhouse.

12-25-2010, 11:28 PM	#16
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	We are so solving the world's social/economic woes here lately... Bike sales are down, what would you have them do? Btw Mexicans do buy things...just saying. I realize that we are huge but to say that a company will collaspe if they don't manufacture their products here is kinda silly, don't you all think? There are several products on our shelves and in our homes that are only manufactured overseas. Those companies seem to be doing quite well, thank you very much. There are several factors that have precipitated our loss of manufacturing in this country. You can't really point at one thing (like NAFTA) and say, "That's the reason". It's a process that has been building for decades. We went from inventing and monopolizing the television market to almost zero presence in under 30 years. Who's fault is that? When Curtis Mathis rolled the last totally American TV off the line back in the 80s (I think), NAFTA hadn't even been heard of. Yet the manufacture and sale of TVs seems to be flourishing... Gee how is that possible? If the time comes when all motorcycles are made overseas, I seriously doubt that they will stop being sold here. What we have done in the past is what we will have to do in the future. Find new products to manufacture and sell...it's really that simple. We were #1 in electronics-not anymore. We were #1 in furniture-not anymore. We were #1 in automobiles-not anymore. We were #1 in motorcycles-not anymore. We can't keep crying over yesterday's spilled milk and continue to try and hold on to the past. Companies have to be run with a eye on the bottom line. Sentimate in business is an almost sure way to guarantee a company's demise. Would you rather they go out of business completely? Arai made hats, Suzuki made textile machines, Yamaha made pianos, Alpinestars made ski boots, BMW made airplanes, etc... We need to adapt or die, simple as that.