Queue the anti-gun nuts... - Page 5

nhgunnut · 05-26-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fujimoh

Why would someone carry a weapon with a round in the chamber? I hope he gets charged with discharging the round and they take his permit away

Because an unloaded gun makes a piss poor club! Idiots are idiots ,, Idiots with cars kill far more people than idiots with guns. The guy appears to have been an idiot, take away his permit. He is subject to civil law in any event.
Perhaps more importantly than looking here in the US Look at the Swiss where everyone of military age has a fully automatic rifle and ammunition. (By Law) One of the lowest crim rates anywhere in the world

Cutty72 · 05-26-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

I agree with you on theory only... The truth is, banning guns anywhere only bans guns for law-abiding citizens... By definition and nature, criminals disregard these laws so the only thing anti-gun anything does is leave everyone who obeys the law at the mercy of anyone who doesn't.

This.

One of the guys in my unit is in a UC counter drug unit. He was telling me of an incident where one of the rookies to the unit was adamant about not "taking work home". To that extent, he refused to carry while off duty.
Because of this, he got to witness his wife and children get murdered while he lay helpless on the floor. Had he been carrying a gun, he admits he would have had multiple opportunities to take out the gunman.

Just saying... if you are legally able to carry, and you do not, then you could just as well not carry at all.
That is my biggest problem with not being able to carry while in uniform.

Porkchop · 05-26-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman

Point of clarification....

Individuals with guns in their own home applying the "king of their castle" defense? Game on.

Individuals with guns in public places? Not a fan.

That last point is where my line gets crazy. I feel completely fine carrying mine at night, driving at night, if im walking anywhere alone, on campus, on the bad side of town, on my nightstand. Into freaking smokey bones??? NO.

nhgunnut · 05-26-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

As I posted, a report says that it was in his pocket.

Yes that is what has been reported. But one thing you can count on is that American media is decidedly slanted when firearms are involved. In Baltimore in the mid 90s a citizen used a licensed side arm to stop a robbery. It was reported as a Gunfight as a store. My only point is we don't know what actually happened.

KSGregman · 05-26-2011, 06:19 PM

Where it goes wrong in my mind is this....

This guy presumably had a license to carry a gun in public....he left the house carrying his gun thinking that if he encountered any trouble, he would be part of the solution....his own defense.

Instead....he carried his gun into a public place and BECAME THE PROBLEM. Completely innocent people were wounded....for NOTHING. HE WAS THE PROBLEM.

I mean...there has GOTTA be some kind of judgement involved? Some kind of common sense? Like....it's night time....I'm on an unfamiliar urban street...maybe I should take my gun out of the car with me when I need to walk to my appointment. OK...I suppose I get that.

But...it's the dinner hour at a restaraunt....I'm gonna carry my gun out of the car and into the restaraunt with me "just in case."

Really? That just smacks of foolish pride to me.....foolish, arrogant "I've got a gun...I'm so cool" pride.

It's this kind of lack of judgement, and IN MY OPINION that is what is missing in this and probably many other cases, that makes this "I'll carry my gun into public places" thing a really bad idea.

OneSickPsycho · 05-26-2011, 06:27 PM

The woman in the first video I posted watched her mother and father executed in front of her at a diner during a robbery at lunch time. She carried but was in a gun-free zone.

It's just like wearing gear when you ride... Probably won't need it, but if you do, you'll be damn glad you have it.

anthonyk · 05-26-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman

Where it goes wrong in my mind is this....

This guy presumably had a license to carry a gun in public....he left the house carrying his gun thinking that if he encountered any trouble, he would be part of the solution....his own defense.

Instead....he carried his gun into a public place and BECAME THE PROBLEM. Completely innocent people were wounded....for NOTHING. HE WAS THE PROBLEM.

I mean...there has GOTTA be some kind of judgement involved? Some kind of common sense? Like....it's night time....I'm on an unfamiliar urban street...maybe I should take my gun out of the car with me when I need to walk to my appointment. OK...I suppose I get that.

But...it's the dinner hour at a restaraunt....I'm gonna carry my gun out of the car and into the restaraunt with me "just in case."

Really? That just smacks of foolish pride to me.....foolish, arrogant "I've got a gun...I'm so cool" pride.

It's this kind of lack of judgement, and IN MY OPINION that is what is missing in this and probably many other cases, that makes this "I'll carry my gun into public places" thing a really bad idea.

Is the problem that he carried a gun into the restaurant? Or that he was an idiot?

You don't really get to pick the location where you might need that gun. Just ask those folks at Luby's in the 90's. They were just at dinner, too.

Corey · 05-26-2011, 06:28 PM

My friend was riding his bike on the road, observing all the rules of the road. A semi-truck going too fast and the driver was tired. He didn't see my friend until it was too late. My friend is dead. Shit happens to good people and bad people. For all the responsible people out there who understand the responsibilities, there's shit heads who fuck things up and hurt people. The guy with the gun, from what little information is available, acted irresponsibly. His actions do not reflect upon other gun owners, only himself. I agree that he should be punished in some way. He got a CCW, which gives him rights, but also responsibilities, and he failed to meet those responsibilities. The other people in that restaurant who were carrying without anybody being aware of it shouldn't have their rights questioned because of ol' shitbag.

Particle Man · 05-26-2011, 07:33 PM

I normally stay out of the gun debate but this guy had no business carrying if he was fucking with his weapon - especially if it was in his pocket and not in some kind of holster while it was in there.

I no longer carry because my wife doesn't like it and because I didn't want that responsibility with a toddler in the house (just locked rifles left in the house in a vault). That being said, I was taught to NEVER put your fingers anywhere near the trigger, slide (or hammer depending on your weapon of choice), safety, etc unless you plan on firing a round or clearing the weapon. This guy was an idiot. Period.

Just like the guy on the ZZR today who passed me at over a buck and almost killed someone going around a corner wasn't representative of all riders, this guy shouldn't be considered representative of all those who carry.

RACER X · 05-26-2011, 07:50 PM

So this idiots gun goes off

How many more times have gun carriers carried in ' safe' places w/o incident

How many times have crimes been deterred by legal gun carriers

My guess us both the last 2 are slot moire then the first

Guy should have his license revoked and civil fines the max

05-26-2011, 06:28 PM	#48
Corey AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Florida Moto: Not a damn thing Posts: 2,612	My friend was riding his bike on the road, observing all the rules of the road. A semi-truck going too fast and the driver was tired. He didn't see my friend until it was too late. My friend is dead. Shit happens to good people and bad people. For all the responsible people out there who understand the responsibilities, there's shit heads who fuck things up and hurt people. The guy with the gun, from what little information is available, acted irresponsibly. His actions do not reflect upon other gun owners, only himself. I agree that he should be punished in some way. He got a CCW, which gives him rights, but also responsibilities, and he failed to meet those responsibilities. The other people in that restaurant who were carrying without anybody being aware of it shouldn't have their rights questioned because of ol' shitbag. __________________ Half man, half horse, half motorcycle. All awesome. "Your game is shit, your company is shit. Activision ruined you! Activision ruined you." - Francis

05-26-2011, 07:50 PM	#50
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	So this idiots gun goes off How many more times have gun carriers carried in ' safe' places w/o incident How many times have crimes been deterred by legal gun carriers My guess us both the last 2 are slot moire then the first Guy should have his license revoked and civil fines the max __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

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05-26-2011, 06:19 PM	#45
KSGregman Get Fit...or Get OUT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: KS Moto: 07 M109-R Posts: 1,993	Where it goes wrong in my mind is this.... This guy presumably had a license to carry a gun in public....he left the house carrying his gun thinking that if he encountered any trouble, he would be part of the solution....his own defense. Instead....he carried his gun into a public place and BECAME THE PROBLEM. Completely innocent people were wounded....for NOTHING. HE WAS THE PROBLEM. I mean...there has GOTTA be some kind of judgement involved? Some kind of common sense? Like....it's night time....I'm on an unfamiliar urban street...maybe I should take my gun out of the car with me when I need to walk to my appointment. OK...I suppose I get that. But...it's the dinner hour at a restaraunt....I'm gonna carry my gun out of the car and into the restaraunt with me "just in case." Really? That just smacks of foolish pride to me.....foolish, arrogant "I've got a gun...I'm so cool" pride. It's this kind of lack of judgement, and IN MY OPINION that is what is missing in this and probably many other cases, that makes this "I'll carry my gun into public places" thing a really bad idea.

05-26-2011, 06:27 PM	#46
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	The woman in the first video I posted watched her mother and father executed in front of her at a diner during a robbery at lunch time. She carried but was in a gun-free zone. It's just like wearing gear when you ride... Probably won't need it, but if you do, you'll be damn glad you have it.

05-26-2011, 07:33 PM	#49
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	I normally stay out of the gun debate but this guy had no business carrying if he was fucking with his weapon - especially if it was in his pocket and not in some kind of holster while it was in there. I no longer carry because my wife doesn't like it and because I didn't want that responsibility with a toddler in the house (just locked rifles left in the house in a vault). That being said, I was taught to NEVER put your fingers anywhere near the trigger, slide (or hammer depending on your weapon of choice), safety, etc unless you plan on firing a round or clearing the weapon. This guy was an idiot. Period. Just like the guy on the ZZR today who passed me at over a buck and almost killed someone going around a corner wasn't representative of all riders, this guy shouldn't be considered representative of all those who carry.