worthy of death penalty?

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I'm not a fan of continuing the victimization of those already victimized. Then there is the question, "How long before someone opens that database, so that they can be watched and prosecuted?" Patriot act, and all of that. If there exists a way of tracking such people, then it'll be used.

I'm not a fan of continuing the victimization either, but then, it's not like the victims will ever have access to the data base anyway. As for tracking them, in the case of pedophiles, I'm not sure I have a problem with that, as we track sex offenders already.

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I prefer that we depend on people not acting upon their baser drives and, if they do, prosecuting them. A little willpower should permit them to avoid acting outside the bounds of polite society. After all if I can avoid taking an axe to the fucktard in the next cube, then anyone else should be able to control their drives.

That would be nice, but we can't depend on them, and that's the problem. Prosecuting them after the fact is great for justice and retribution, but that doesn't undo the damage caused to the kids.

JC

[PhiSig1071]

Yeah, but public executions are considered cruel and unusual punishment.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

I'm not a fan of continuing the victimization either, but then, it's not like the victims will ever have access to the data base anyway. As for tracking them, in the case of pedophiles, I'm not sure I have a problem with that, as we track sex offenders already.

Perhaps the victims will never have access to such a database. Perhaps they would, with sufficient palm grease.

There's another issue though, which I tried to hint at in my response. Your idea would be to stop new victimizations, but how many databases haven't been abused at one time or another? If the government decides to start tracking people in order to prosecute them, through entrapment or other means because their names are in the access database for this 'library' you suggest, then their privacy is being no less violated for something that they haven't done.

That would be nice, but we can't depend on them, and that's the problem. Prosecuting them after the fact is great for justice and retribution, but that doesn't undo the damage caused to the kids.

JC

The only ways that we can avoid damage to the children would be Minority Report or Thought Police. As odious as it is, I don't believe in charging anyone with a crime that they have not yet committed.

[SoFlaSV]

I said yes, but with one stipulation.

He must be put unsupervised into the general population and have it know why he's there. At least he will suffer horrifically before he dies.

[2up]

JC, I won't flame you, but I also don't agree with your database idea either. Why should they be allowed to indulge themselves? I don't believe that pedophiles are attracted to children in the same manner heteros are attracted to members of the opposite sex and homosexuals to members of the same sex. I won't ever buy that argument.

There is a school of thought that some people attracted to child porn and some pedophiles are "sex addicts" and they are simply taking their addiction to another level. In other words, once the high of adult sex, then say, S&M and B&D, and then voyeurism and exhibitionism, is not as great as it used to be, they move on to a new and more taboo form of drug to get their high. I'm not saying I believe it, I am saying there are those who do believe it. Either way, IMO, too fucking bad, its not OK.

[fnfalman]

Obviously this son of a bitch is a pervert. BUT, BUT, did he actually touch any children or he's just jerked off to these photos?

If he were to touch these kids or some of them then kill the fucker. If not then just imprison his ass and let him be the "boy".

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by 2up

JC, I won't flame you, but I also don't agree with your database idea either. Why should they be allowed to indulge themselves? I don't believe that pedophiles are attracted to children in the same manner heteros are attracted to members of the opposite sex and homosexuals to members of the same sex. I won't ever buy that argument.

There is a school of thought that some people attracted to child porn and some pedophiles are "sex addicts" and they are simply taking their addiction to another level. In other words, once the high of adult sex, then say, S&M and B&D, and then voyeurism and exhibitionism, is not as great as it used to be, they move on to a new and more taboo form of drug to get their high. I'm not saying I believe it, I am saying there are those who do believe it. Either way, IMO, too fucking bad, its not OK.

It's not quite like that. There is a fair amount of data to indicate that paedophiles were, themselves, overwhelmingly victims of sexual assault as children also. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Their first sexual experience is as a child, with an adult. That seems to form their opinions of sex, whether consciously or unconsciously.

It generally doesn't seem to be the old "forbidden fruit" thing with paedophiles. They've thought that such relationships were 'normal' for most of their lives. If the cycle was stopped in as little as one generation, then the problem would almost be solved. There may be others for which it is a genetic predisposition who would restart the cycle, but think of all of those children who would never grow up as damaged goods.

*EDIT* So all of you who cheer some 14 year old kid who got to do his hot, 30 year old teacher remember that next time.

[VatorMan]

Bring back Lobotomies !!!

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by 2up

To use your words, YES, it is MORE OK to view naked pics of infants/children than to molest them. Does that make it OK in general? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! But would you punish a person who watches a video of someone being raped/killed the same as you would the person who rapes/kills?? Or how about a person who THINKS about killing others, but never acts on it? Should they be killed?

Don't get me wrong here, I am in no way defending anyone who views child pornography!!! IN NO WAY!! There is something extremely fucked up in their head without a doubt. But it is NOT the same as molesting a child. Disgusting, bad, fucked up, horrible, yes. The same as molestation, no.

Originally Posted by 2up

Quantity does not equal molestation. I will say that IMO, someone with that much of a desire for child porn likely has acted on his fantasies (just writing that makes me want to puke) but I don't know that for a fact. I don't think people should be killed for having sick thoughts they don't act on. Would I cry or protest if he were killed, NOPE. Again, he should not be out on the streets, but executed, I couldn't say yes to if its "just" viewing this stuff. (Sick fucking bastard that he is.)

Originally Posted by 2up

So would you also kill the person who viewed this number of snuff films? Or of videos showing real rapes of adults occurring?

Originally Posted by azoomm

So, possession defines intent?

THAK YOU you've taken the words right out of my mouth

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

I think the reason for no record of mesurable reform for pedophiles, is that there isn't any reform for it. Pedophiles just are what they are. Pedophiles are attracted to children, in the same way heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex, and homsexuals are attracted to the same sex. There's no "fixing" that shit. Maybe it's a chemical imbalance, or genetics or whatever, we just don't know yet.

I like your idea of voluntary euthanasia for practicing pedophiles, all of whom I would consider violent.

Now here's an idea everybody is going to hate, but stick with me, it kind of makes sense.

If there are pedophiles that can be satisfied just by looking at child porn, we should give them some. Establish an "approved" database of existing child porn, (photochop the faces so nobody has to see themselves later in life), and make it an automatic life sentence for anyone in possesion of images that are not in the database.

Let's face it, in the case of existing images, the damage is already done. Those kids are never getting their 15 minutes back.

The goal here, is to prevent further abuse of children. If a pedophile can "sign up" for this database legally, he has no reason or excuse to try and make his own porn, plus, we get to keep tabs on the subscribers.

Ok, let the flaming begin...

JC

I can see what you mean... it would never fly because as it sits America is to narrow minded to allow gays be married because it's wrong... there's no way they're gonna view a pedophile as a person, because it's completely socially unacceptable.

I'm not defending the guy... but I look at is as you do, his genetic make up to be pre disposed to liking children... no amount of treatment is going to fix that. he's not "sick" he just has a socially unacceptable attraction. Sick implies something is wrong that could be fixed... I don't think this could... same with homosexuality...

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by 2up

Quantity does not equal molestation. I will say that IMO, someone with that much of a desire for child porn likely has acted on his fantasies (just writing that makes me want to puke) but I don't know that for a fact. I don't think people should be killed for having sick thoughts they don't act on.

Would anyone make child porn if nobody else created the demand for it? (Unfortunately, there probably would still be some.) In my mind this guy is supporting the molestation of children, and that ain't okay. He may as well have done it himself, in my opinion.

Not acting on his thoughts would be staying in his own head, or writing fiction, or something like that. At the moment he involved real kids (in whatever form), he just jumped in with both feet.

Maybe being a new dad makes me extra sensitive to it, but infants are so fucking helpless that I don't have much sympathy for this guy.