Hand Cannon

[HokieDNA01]

I bet that thing kicks like a mule Moira. Sweet looking gun! Here is Kerry and my combined "arsonal"

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Archren

I'd rather put a bullet into hajji before he gets close enough to need to worry about cracking him in the skull with my buttstock. And last I checked CCOs improve accuracy in close quarters combat significantly when it comes to reflexive fire (which, for the Joes who are the ones kicking down doors... isn't that what we want, greater accuracy?). Wherever that red dot is, that's where the bullet goes (assuming it's properly zeroed).

Is it cheating? Of course it is. Anyone can say that "iron sights are better" if you're beating your chest talking about how skilled you are, and you'd probably be right (in terms of overall skill). But when it comes to actual combat... If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin...

Besides, most of these insurgents are pussies and would rather blow you up while taking video from a mile away than actually fight you face to face. So, in this case gadgets (particularly optics, CREW systems, NVGs, etc.) win.

At close quarters, you don't even need reflex sights. Point and shoot from the shoulder work just fine. Tipped with a bayonet, if you run out of ammo, you'd cross the room and stick'em a lot faster than fumbling for a reload or trying to pull out a pistol. At longer distances, the red dots are too big for precision shooting. I see zero benefit for a red dot sight. A short scope like the ACOG is a different story, but to me reflex sights are worthless.

As far as if you're not cheatin', you're not tryin'...that's why God invented frags.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by HokieDNA01

I bet that thing kicks like a mule Moira. Sweet looking gun! Here is Kerry and my combined "arsenal"

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol.

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

At close quarters, you don't even need reflex sights. Point and shoot from the shoulder work just fine. Tipped with a bayonet, if you run out of ammo, you'd cross the room and stick'em a lot faster than fumbling for a reload or trying to pull out a pistol. At longer distances, the red dots are too big for precision shooting. I see zero benefit for a red dot sight. A short scope like the ACOG is a different story, but to me reflex sights are worthless.

As far as if you're not cheatin', you're not tryin'...that's why God invented frags.

Ever been in CQC? Training or otherwise?
Second, have you ever used a CCO?
The CCO works wonders to help clear a room effectively. Point and shoot works with a shotgun, or a stationary target. Target running on the other side of windows/doorways is more easily taken out with some sight picture.
The ACOG is worthless in the same scenario, as the magnification throws off distance and makes it more difficult to acquire a close rapidly moving target.
It is great, however, for its intended purpose. In the hands of a trained Squad Designated Marksman, a M4/M16 with an ACOG can take out targets at a greater distance without need for a sniper rifle.

Next, collapsible but stock. True, fully extended, it may not be as durable as a solid stock, however, it is not nearly as versatile.
Wearing full battle rattle is very bulky, and todays combat environments are becoming more urban and close quarters orientated. The collapsible but stock gives the warrior more options to make his "tools" fit him/her better. Like they say, the most effective weapon is one that you feel comfortable with and fits you. With a solid stock, it is difficult to get the rifle into firing position while wearing all your gear. Further, when clearing rooms the added length is a hindrance.

These are my opinions. True, I am not "in the shit" per-say, but I have gone through all the same training, and have been dealing with/carrying these weapons for the last 9 months. Take it for what you will.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

At close quarters, you don't even need reflex sights. Point and shoot from the shoulder work just fine. Tipped with a bayonet, if you run out of ammo, you'd cross the room and stick'em a lot faster than fumbling for a reload or trying to pull out a pistol. At longer distances, the red dots are too big for precision shooting. I see zero benefit for a red dot sight. A short scope like the ACOG is a different story, but to me reflex sights are worthless.

As far as if you're not cheatin', you're not tryin'...that's why God invented frags.

no benefit? With iron sights you have to line up three points: back, front sight, and target with your point of focus being the front sight. With a reflex or holo you only have two points: reticle and target and your focus is at the target. you also keep both eyes open with a cco which helps make picking up targets ungodly fast

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol.

ill have to post the izh-35 when i get home lol

[Cutty72]

Forgot to add also, with the red dot not being small enough for long distance targets.
Personally, I can get my red dot finer than the front sight post. Guess you just have shitty eyesight.

[HokieDNA01]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol.

That buckmark is a BLAST to shoot and super cheap for ammo. I think 550 rounds were $15. I can burn through $15 in less than 5 mins with my 9mm's. The BM has even killed a deer....granted it was at pointblank range to the top of the head (she had been hit by a car and was stugglin bad). .22's are fun.

I'm thinkin about a .22 LR rifle now for target shooting but I would also like to hunt on occation so I'm torn. If I go higher cal. ammo will go up in price like crazy. Wish there was a happy medium.

[Kerry_129]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol.

Me too!! Extremely fun to plink with - tack-driving accuracy, and you can shoot all day long for a few bucks.

Man, now I want to go play with the bang-sticks - it's been too long...

[wildchild]

must be contagious. my better half just went and filled out the papers for her first handgun. just a little Beretta .22. inexpensive to purchase and shoot.

she's already talking about her next one. LOL