Can the FBI Secretly Track Your Cell Phone?

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Avatard

[url]"One who does not wish to disclose his movements to the government need not use a cellular telephone," the prosecutors wrote.

The same could be said about anything.
"One who does not wish to have his phone conversations listened in on shouldn't use a phone."
"One who does not want his internet browsing activity recorded shouldn't use the internet"

I like how most conservatives never speak up about privacy issues like these, probably because they're afraid of being labeled a wimpy, unpatriotic bleeding heart or something. They can't allow themselves to agree with wimpy faggot communist groups like the ACLU, even when they have a legitimate point.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

The same could be said about anything.
"One who does not wish to have his phone conversations listened in on shouldn't use a phone."
"One who does not want his internet browsing activity recorded shouldn't use the internet"

I like how most conservatives never speak up about privacy issues like these, probably because they're afraid of being labeled a wimpy, unpatriotic bleeding heart or something. They can't allow themselves to agree with wimpy faggot communist groups like the ACLU, even when they have a legitimate point.

couldnt care less. if i do anything questionable theres plenty of morons with unprotected wifi routers about.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I like how most conservatives never speak up about privacy issues like these, probably because they're afraid of being labeled a wimpy, unpatriotic bleeding heart or something. They can't allow themselves to agree with wimpy faggot communist groups like the ACLU, even when they have a legitimate point.

Nice generalization. Most liberals never speak up about privacy issues like this either. I suppose you could make the argument that they spoke up on November 4th when they elected Obama in part to end "Bush shredding the constitution", but it is Obama's justice department currently fighting to retain this practice. Hell, at least Bush's warrantless privacy violations involved foreigners. This current warrantless practice directly targets Americans.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by goof2

Nice generalization. Most liberals never speak up about privacy issues like this either. I suppose you could make the argument that they spoke up on November 4th when they elected Obama in part to end "Bush shredding the constitution", but it is Obama's justice department currently fighting to retain this practice. Hell, at least Bush's warrantless privacy violations involved foreigners. This current warrantless practice directly targets Americans.

If the shoe fits, wear it. I can only describe what I notice, which is that conservatives usually don't speak up about these types of issues. Notice I use words like "usually" and "most".

Would you agree that most liberals don't speak up about gun rights? Then why can't I say that most conservatives don't speak up about privacy?

And the NSA has been sweeping up domestic communications since the early 00's at least. Bush's whole "we only intercepted overseas communications" argument was BS.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

If the shoe fits, wear it. I can only describe what I notice, which is that conservatives usually don't speak up about these types of issues. Notice I use words like "usually" and "most".

Would you agree that most liberals don't speak up about gun rights? Then why can't I say that most conservatives don't speak up about privacy?

And the NSA has been sweeping up domestic communications since the early 00's at least. Bush's whole "we only intercepted overseas communications" argument was BS.

I didn't disagree that "most conservatives" don't speak up, I disagreed with you limiting it to only conservatives. Most Americans don't speak up about things like this either.

There were two rare exceptions I can think of. The first was Bush's warrantless wiretapping, but that probably had more to do with it coming from Bush than the privacy issues. Additionally when liberals did oppose it plenty of legislators they supported screwed them over because they didn't want to look weak on terror. The other I already mentioned which was electing Obama. Considering it is his justice department fighting to keep this ability it doesn't seem to have worked too well.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

Nice generalization. Most liberals never speak up about privacy issues like this either. I suppose you could make the argument that they spoke up on November 4th when they elected Obama in part to end "Bush shredding the constitution", but it is Obama's justice department currently fighting to retain this practice. Hell, at least Bush's warrantless privacy violations involved foreigners. This current warrantless practice directly targets Americans.

Governments rarely give up a power that they possess. Voters have to stop rewarding them for abridgements of rights.

Bush's policies also included warrantless wiretaps, etc., of American citizens.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by goof2

Nice generalization. Most liberals never speak up about privacy issues like this either. I suppose you could make the argument that they spoke up on November 4th when they elected Obama in part to end "Bush shredding the constitution", but it is Obama's justice department currently fighting to retain this practice. Hell, at least Bush's warrantless privacy violations involved foreigners. This current warrantless practice directly targets Americans.

Oh please, Bush eroded American's rights faster than any president before or since. The comment about conservatives is valid. In my lifetime, I've watched conservatives erode more of our freedoms. Don't try and tell us what we've lived through, Goof, please. Some of us were actually paying attention.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Oh please, Bush eroded American's rights faster than any president before or since. The comment about conservatives is valid. In my lifetime, I've watched conservatives erode more of our freedoms. Don't try and tell us what we've lived through, Goof, please. Some of us were actually paying attention.

So this isn't coming from Obama's justice department? Obama's justice department didn't make essentially the same arguments the Bush justice department did defending warrantless wiretapping in Jewel v. NSA? Obama didn't support renewing expiring provisions of the Patriot Act with only minor changes? I'm curious, what has Obama actually done (not just talked about) to restore American's rights?

Paying attention is fine, but only if you actually understand what you are paying attention to.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

I'm curious, what has Obama actually done (not just talked about) to restore American's rights?

I'm no big Obama fan, don't get me wrong....but he did finally allow states the right to have medical pot facilities and stopped the DEA from raiding state approved and funded grow labs.

Prohibition is just one more way the Government strips freedom using propaganda that the masses eat up like Milky Way bars, so while you may not be dying of cancer or just don't like pot, it is still a large victory for people that are still capable of independent thinking, making their own decisions, and desire basic freedom. Is he going to undo 100 or however many years of evil and brainwashing in 4 years? No, probably not.

Giving the Federal Government the ability to instantly find out exactly where you've been, going back x amount of days into the past, is fucked up and will certainly lead to an increased police state atmosphere. But people not caring about it, or not thinking its a big deal, or saying "Meh, that's just the way it is"....that's what is really fucked up.

[Avatard]

Fred, none of this is new to me, I assure you. The other tracking device that cracks me up is the "Easy Pass". Everyone uses these without considering that it logs your every move. Duh.