Work broken into.

[G-Rex]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

Plus if you go hunting for 'em and give 'em some high velocity lead poisoning the "self defense"'thing goes out the window...

Not necessarily. Depends on the state. In Oklahoma, our law is a *Stand your ground* law. That means I do not have a duty to retreat under threat if I am somewhere I am allowed to be, i.e. home. Obviously, that's not a license to go 007 on somebody. There still needs to be a reasonable belief of imminent death or bodily harm.

The way I see it, if someone barges their way into my house that I don't know, well, that's the reasonable belief I need and I WILL kill that person. If it comes down to me, in my home, or someone who wants to rob, injure, or kill me, it will be them.

That's not to say I want to shoot someone. I don't, ever. If it's going to be me or them though, it won't be me.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by jtemple

This. Hell, I've been trained to do it and I still won't. If someone comes into my house, I'll hole up in one room and wait for them to come to me. They can take all the shit they want. But, come into my room and they're going down.

You give them a huge advantage if you go looking for them.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Why didn't the security people call the police THEN the owner? Seems like an odd setup.

Originally Posted by Particle Man

Plus if you go hunting for 'em and give 'em some high velocity lead poisoning the "self defense"'thing goes out the window...

Not in Texas.

[Rangerscott]

Is there a quart of something that I can buy that'll get hard as a rock. I was just going to screw down the panel and put something over the ripped part. Needs to be really hard when it drys. I'll cut some 2x4's and screw them in the framing where they busted through. They'll have to find another place to go through next time.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by marko138

Clearing the building yourself isn't all that smart.

Neither is riding a motorcycle on public roads...

Originally Posted by jtemple

This. Hell, I've been trained to do it and I still won't. If someone comes into my house, I'll hole up in one room and wait for them to come to me. They can take all the shit they want. But, come into my room and they're going down.

You give them a huge advantage if you go looking for them.

Yet, you still ride a motorcycle.

[derf]

I'm with marko and temple, that just seems like a setup for a bad situation, let the police do it. Also, why not go around the perimeter of the building first, this would have shown you their point of entry as well as given clues as to if they are still there. See the wall ripped off the building, thats how they got in, see an unfamiliar truck, that means they are still here take up a defensive position behind their car and let out some tire air, wait for police.

[marko138]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Neither is riding a motorcycle on public roads...



Yet, you still ride a motorcycle.

Really, thats the comparison you are going with?

[Rangerscott]

Originally Posted by marko138

Really, thats the comparison you are going with?

He was probably pointing out choice or avoidance. You can avoid getting on a bike as avoiding going in.

[jtemple]

Risk vs. reward. Riding a bike is fun. Clearing a building is not. I'll let the cops go in there and get shot up. Insurance will replace my stuff. It's just stuff. I'm not taking a bullet for a television.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by jtemple

Risk vs. reward. Riding a bike is fun. Clearing a building is not. I'll let the cops go in there and get shot up. Insurance will replace my stuff. It's just stuff. I'm not taking a bullet for a television.

Or, better yet... for your boss' television

[Kaneman]

Very true. I suppose I was thinking from more of a homeowner mentality. But a workplace issue....sheeeeet....