Oil changing question - Page 2

Amber Lamps · 02-03-2011, 06:33 PM

bTW I know guys that believe you should change your oil before Winter AND after! The oil companies just laugh their way to the bank!

Particle Man · 02-03-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

bTW I know guys that believe you should change your oil before Winter AND after! The oil companies just laugh their way to the bank!

I did that back when the SV was new the first season. Got some good crap out of the engine that way. Now that it's broken in there's no reason.

Rangerscott · 02-03-2011, 07:06 PM

Yall and storing bikes. Silly willys.

Just buy some cheap ass walmart oil, run for a couple minutes, then drain. No reason to waste money expensive oil just to use for minutes.

Tmall · 02-03-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

So without the engine even running all those things happen to the oil in your bike? How? Where does this moisture come from? The fuel? Any of it? Aren't those things conditional on the engine running and if so, once the engine is stopped the contamination process stops as well? My thought was that you should change your oil BEFORE storing your bike to prevent the moisture, etc from doing potential damage but since he(and I) didn't the "damage" is already done and changing it now won't help anything imho. At any rate, isn't this just another one of those old tech tips that applied to bikes with cast iron blocks, heads, rings, etc and don't really apply to modern bikes made out of chromed cylinders, aluminum blocks, Ti valves, etc?

You ol' ninja editor!!! I know what emulsion is and it can't happen without the engine running, if it could then new old won't fair any better. BTW if you have that much water in your oil, there's something else going on there chief!!!

Ideally, you should change your oil before storage and not start it again until you're ready to ride.

Emulsion occurs because you run your engine without bringing it up to a hot enough temperature to evaporate any moisture that collects due to temperature changes.

A very small amount of fuel would get by from regular use. Carbon blows by your rings. When that mixes with the moisture from condensation it becomes acidic.

This applies to all engines. However, it really probably wouldn't effect your bike very much. That doesn't change the fact that it doesn't happen.

racedoll · 02-03-2011, 07:59 PM

I change my oil shortly after winter is over. It might not be the very first ride of the season but I won't wait too long. It doesn't matter if it had a few miles or a few thousand miles on it, I'll change it.

Amber Lamps · 02-03-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Ideally, you should change your oil before storage and not start it again until you're ready to ride.

Emulsion occurs because you run your engine without bringing it up to a hot enough temperature to evaporate any moisture that collects due to temperature changes.

A very small amount of fuel would get by from regular use. Carbon blows by your rings. When that mixes with the moisture from condensation it becomes acidic.

This applies to all engines. However, it really probably wouldn't effect your bike very much. That doesn't change the fact that it doesn't happen.

while the engine is running this happens right? Nothing emulses, gets by or blows by when the engine isn't running, right?

Homeslice · 02-03-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

bTW I know guys that believe you should change your oil before Winter AND after! The oil companies just laugh their way to the bank!

And what's more is, MOST of these people will sell their bike after only 15-20K miles (if even that)

Amber Lamps · 02-03-2011, 10:05 PM

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And what's more is, MOST of these people will sell their bike after only 15-20K miles (if even that)

oh yeah, you know a mc engine is wore out by 15,000 miles don't cha?

tommymac · 02-03-2011, 10:43 PM

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oh yeah, you know a mc engine is wore out by 15,000 miles don't cha?

depends on who owned it, maintenance is a foreign word to some. Granted modern bikes are made much better than 10 or 15 yrs ago so they will run better and prolly last longer.

Cutty72 · 02-03-2011, 11:03 PM

I don't change mine before storage either.
Run it up to temp in the spring, drain, change filter, add new. Good to go for whatever interval you feel like running.
Buell takes 20W-50. It has the HD Screaming Eagle in it now, will have Amsoil in it when I change it. It's worked for the first 11k

02-03-2011, 06:33 PM	#11
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	bTW I know guys that believe you should change your oil before Winter AND after! The oil companies just laugh their way to the bank!

02-03-2011, 07:06 PM	#13
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	Yall and storing bikes. Silly willys. Just buy some cheap ass walmart oil, run for a couple minutes, then drain. No reason to waste money expensive oil just to use for minutes.

02-03-2011, 07:59 PM	#15
racedoll AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: '04 Kawasaki ZX6RR Posts: 3,392	I change my oil shortly after winter is over. It might not be the very first ride of the season but I won't wait too long. It doesn't matter if it had a few miles or a few thousand miles on it, I'll change it.