If your neighbor has wireless...

[Amorok]

Yeah, but McCallister's and Starbucks offers it specifically for you to use gratis to draw in customers. These people pay for it for their own personal and expect it to be that way. Why not tap off of their cable TV or water line too? Do what you want but if I find out you're tapping off mine you will seriously have a laptop shaped paperweight. You can easily obtain programs that will slag your hard drive, CPU, RAM, and wireless RT. Seriously, this shit's easy to get all I do is call a guy and you're out your laptop.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Amorok

Why not tap off of their cable TV or water line too?

I work for a Sub of AT&T. I normally work with the ariel trucks but often I work with dig crews. We see people steal some crazy stuff as we dig for phone cable.

Cable is the most stolen. But we've seen people steal gas, electric, water, etc.

One guy tapped into a 6" gas main and fed it to his house. No fucking clue how he did it. When you bust a 6" main that shit flys out like crazy. But I've seen them tap into water mains too. One guy rigged up a system that allowed water to flow around the meter. But he put in a much smaller tubing to his water meter so that he had some water flowing through but not his normal. Guy was operating a 6bedroom house for probably the cost of a trailer.

Saw another guy steal water from his neighbors irrigation system.

People go to amazing lengths to steal shit.

As for stealing internet. Man up, and get your own stinkin internet. Then secure the bitch and enjoy watching pron at lightspeeds.

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

I work for a Sub of AT&T. I normally work with the ariel trucks but often I work with dig crews. We see people steal some crazy stuff as we dig for phone cable.

Cable is the most stolen. But we've seen people steal gas, electric, water, etc.

One guy tapped into a 6" gas main and fed it to his house. No fucking clue how he did it. When you bust a 6" main that shit flys out like crazy. But I've seen them tap into water mains too. One guy rigged up a system that allowed water to flow around the meter. But he put in a much smaller tubing to his water meter so that he had some water flowing through but not his normal. Guy was operating a 6bedroom house for probably the cost of a trailer.

Saw another guy steal water from his neighbors irrigation system.

People go to amazing lengths to steal shit.

As for stealing internet. Man up, and get your own stinkin internet. Then secure the bitch and enjoy watching pron at lightspeeds.

My old roommate said the same thing.... he works for Cincinnati Bell on the dig crew. He said hes seen some crazy shit done... just to spit some fucking cable....

[2up]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

Wow, I guess I should have been more clear in the post you quoted. The house I'm working on is MY house. I bought the house, so yes, I have a right to the wiring.

And as for the internet, rather than the door being unlocked, it's more like the door is unlocked and they have a sign out that says, "my stuff is free for you to use, just as long as I still have complete access to it also."


Is it really petty theft in your eyes? They're broadcasting a connection. It's like McDonald's, or some coffee shop wifi. It's just out there, being broadcast for everyone within a certain radius.

Coffee shops with WiFi undoubtedly know the risk they are assuming in non-patrons of their establishment using their service. I imagine they take some measures to limit their exposure. And patrons are paying for coffee, etc, and in exchange get to use the internet.

This to me is no different than stealing cable by running a line to your house from the source. Your neighbors might be naieve to assume their bandwidth won't be used if they don't secure their network, but that doesn't mean they deserve to pay for your internet usage.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

Is it really petty theft in your eyes? They're broadcasting a connection. It's like McDonald's, or some coffee shop wifi. It's just out there, being broadcast for everyone within a certain radius.

Does your neighbor advertise a free connection for anyone that wants it, like McDonalds does?

Are you offering your neighbor some sort of compensation for the loss in connection speed that was mentioned previously?

If not, then yes it's theft.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors isp connection. (It's on page 83)

JC

[PhiSig1071]

FYI in Florida that can be punished as a felony. Don't know about your state.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

Wow, I guess I should have been more clear in the post you quoted. The house I'm working on is MY house. I bought the house, so yes, I have a right to the wiring.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood, but if it's your house it's your wiring, so who would have possibly had a problem with you taking your own wiring?

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

And as for the internet, rather than the door being unlocked, it's more like the door is unlocked and they have a sign out that says, "my stuff is free for you to use, just as long as I still have complete access to it also."


Is it really petty theft in your eyes? They're broadcasting a connection. It's like McDonald's, or some coffee shop wifi. It's just out there, being broadcast for everyone within a certain radius.

Not unless they actually have a sign out saying "my internet connection is free for you to use." Even over wifi you only have so much bandwidth per connection, so if you're using your neighbor's bandwidth that's bandwidth that your neighbor is paying for that he cannot use. The fact that he's ignorant of network security is irrelevant.

McDonald's is broadcasting a connection with the express purpose of allowing customers to use it. Your neighbor is broadcasting a connection with the express purpose of using it himself. Unless you work something out with him personally, it's stealing.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

with no password, do you say "hell with paying for internet" and just use the free connection?

Oh, and if I'm using said connection, can my neighbor figure out what sites I'm viewing and what I'm typing, etc.?

Others have said it, but I will too. It's 'theft of service' and 'computer trespass.'

If you were on my network not only could I tell what sites you were surfing, I could also likely walk right into your computer and have anything that I wanted from you. After all, you'd be inside my network.

Muhuhahahahahaha!

No, I'm not exaggerating for comedic effect.

[Sanchez]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

Oh, and if I'm using said connection, can my neighbor figure out what sites I'm viewing and what I'm typing, etc.?

The short answer is yes. Anything you send across an unsecured wireless network is visible not only to your neighbor but to everyone within range of your PC. Also, depending on what state you're in, it might be illegal. Some states have a malicious intent clause, and it's only a crime if you connect with the intention of causing harm. Others make the access illegal regardless of intent.

If you really want to have some fun, you should setup your own wireless router so his PC will connect to your network. Then you can alter his internet traffic. I'd go for something subtle like introducing occasional random profanity into his outgoing emails.