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Old 03-02-2009, 10:22 PM   #21
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Makarov = Walther design + spid hitting round and price tag of sub $200
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:12 PM   #22
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I have the HK USP Compact .40. I really like it. Unless your hands are small the P2000 is too small. My meat hooks hung off it.

If you are looking at HK, make sure to check out the P30. It is possibly the best, most comfortable pistol I have ever handled. It is superb!

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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=313733
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:25 PM   #23
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Beretta...never shot one (fancy that) but the US Armed Forces and a slew of law enforcement departments can't be wrong, right?
Yes, yes they can be.
Remember the army motto. Quality only matters if it's made by the lowest bidder.
Army's 9mil sucks. Heavy, big, not accurate, and not the easiest to field strip
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:03 AM   #24
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and as I hear it, most GIs are trading in those beretta M9's for 1911's anywhere they can get hands on a 1911. why? ohhhh I dont know, maybe its because the 1911 has been the standard issue and damned reliable since ww2 perhaps?

Given the choice, a 1911 variant would CERTAINLY be my choice, but thats well out of my budget. I'm wanting an entry level pistol to start off and later when I'm bringing in money I'll buy a fancier pistol to replace my hi point as the carry weapon, or alternate them.
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:53 AM   #25
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Yes, yes they can be.
Remember the army motto. Quality only matters if it's made by the lowest bidder.
Army's 9mil sucks. Heavy, big, not accurate, and not the easiest to field strip
Buddy of mine was in the Navy when they got issued the Beretta. From what he told me, it was a competition between Beretta and Ruger. But we were wanting to patch some political shit with Italy so we got the Beretta despite the Ruger tested better and I believe was slightly cheaper.

Most cops I know with Beretta hate it and woudl rather have a S&W.
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:12 AM   #26
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and as I hear it, most GIs are trading in those beretta M9's for 1911's anywhere they can get hands on a 1911. why? ohhhh I dont know, maybe its because the 1911 has been the standard issue and damned reliable since ww2 perhaps?
Actually the 1911 was replaced by the Beretta 92 FS in 1985, so for the last 20 years it has been the standard. Doesn't change the fact that it's shit.
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Given the choice, a 1911 variant would CERTAINLY be my choice, but thats well out of my budget. I'm wanting an entry level pistol to start off and later when I'm bringing in money I'll buy a fancier pistol to replace my hi point as the carry weapon, or alternate them.
Listen, buying a cheaper pistol is fine, but don't buy a Hi-Point. They are unrelaible junk. Seriously, they aren't entry level pistols, they're advanced clubs. Get a Taurus, get a Charles Daly, or look at the used market. Sites like Gunbroker.com, gunsamerica.com, and auctionarms.com will help you with price indexing, and you might just find a deal on there.
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:26 AM   #27
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Listen, buying a cheaper pistol is fine, but don't buy a Hi-Point. They are unrelaible junk. Seriously, they aren't entry level pistols, they're advanced clubs. Get a Taurus, get a Charles Daly, or look at the used market. Sites like Gunbroker.com, gunsamerica.com, and auctionarms.com will help you with price indexing, and you might just find a deal on there.

Yeah... what he said.
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:41 AM   #28
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All of those who tout GI issued M1911A1 obviously have neither handled nor shot them. Listen, they ain't like your Kimber Custom Carry or your Les Baer Elite Tactical. They were and are a bunch of rattling pieces of shits.
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I carry and fire a Charles Daly 1911. I'm not recommending a Colt, but mine is decent and runs under $500, I think I paid $400 even for my first one.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:54 PM   #30
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All of those who tout GI issued M1911A1 obviously have neither handled nor shot them. Listen, they ain't like your Kimber Custom Carry or your Les Baer Elite Tactical. They were and are a bunch of rattling pieces of shits.
They were Colts weren't they? I've fired (And drank) Colt 45s before. Nothing spectacular but always felt it was better than a Beretta.
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