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[Tmall]

Originally Posted by shmike

I guarantee you that the payroll is far larger than $4 million. In fact, without even knowing the company, I'd bet it is well over $8 million.

Since you guys are so for withholding pay, how far down the chain does your anger go?

I mean, if the regular workers aren't good enough to help the company turn a profit and they cost over 1/2 of payroll , shouldn't their wages be cut too?

BTW, the company IS making a profit, per Tmall's post.

If the company were turning an actual viable profit, they wouldn't need 25 million dollars would they?

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Tmall

If the company were turning an actual viable profit, they wouldn't need 25 million dollars would they?

You didn't say that they NEEDED it.

In fact, you said they were turning a profit and threatened to leave, so the government is offering them money to stay.

If another town wants to attract them and is offering $15 million to move there and employ 1000 people in their town, should they stay put or present the offer to their current municipality and look for a counter offer?

If you read gunnut's post properly, the only way to avoid this is to get government out of business, entirely.

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by shmike

You didn't say that they NEEDED it.

In fact, you said they were turning a profit and threatened to leave, so the government is offering them money to stay.

If another town wants to attract them and is offering $15 million to move there and employ 1000 people in their town, should they stay put or present the offer to their current municipality and look for a counter offer?

If you read gunnut's post properly, the only way to avoid this is to get government out of business, entirely.

Just to turn it around on you..

The people on welfare with 25 kids, driving an escalade with 24's, sitting around getting high and drunk all day aren't the problem. The government is the problem because they let them work the system?

[Amber Lamps]

To the baby killer thing....EVERY war has collateral damage, or do you all think that no children were harmed during the intense bombing of Berlin or in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I guarantee you that more children were killed that morning in Hiroshima in 5 minutes than were killed during the entire Vietnam war.

Quite frankly, I've always believed that people give government too much credit/blame. IMHO I have the most influence over what happens in my life. When I have it good and I'm doing well, I certainly don't give the credit to the government, why should I blame them when I fall on hard times? I'm sorry that you spent the last 6 years of your life getting a degree in medieval crochet techniques, borrowed $200,000 in Gov't loans (only $80,000 of which was actually spent on tuition, the rest to the "college experience"). Now low and behold, it's been two years since graduation but that $250,000/year job didn't find you while you were getting high and playing XBox in your mother's basement. Poor babies, no wonder you're pissed.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Just to turn it around on you..

The people on welfare with 25 kids, driving an escalade with 24's, sitting around getting high and drunk all day aren't the problem. The government is the problem because they let them work the system?

Works for me.

Our government has managed to contort themselves in to the business of rewarding irresponsibility and everybody is shocked that this results in some people taking advantage of it. Additionally this garbage ends up developing a kind of momentum.

Now that your hypothetical couple is getting their check anyone attempting to adjust the amount or restrict its use will be labeled as an inhumane asshole who only wants to put more money in the pockets of the rich (somewhat true since "the rich" pay the majority of personal income taxes). Not only that, but how many of those hypothetical kids are going to grow up to have their own set of 25 kids they can't support?

The crappy parents certainly deserve some of the blame, though there are still too many people who would disagree with that too, but the government has some culpability as well.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

To the baby killer thing....EVERY war has collateral damage, or do you all think that no children were harmed during the intense bombing of Berlin or in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I guarantee you that more children were killed that morning in Hiroshima in 5 minutes than were killed during the entire Vietnam war.

Quite frankly, I've always believed that people give government too much credit/blame. IMHO I have the most influence over what happens in my life. When I have it good and I'm doing well, I certainly don't give the credit to the government, why should I blame them when I fall on hard times? I'm sorry that you spent the last 6 years of your life getting a degree in medieval crochet techniques, borrowed $200,000 in Gov't loans (only $80,000 of which was actually spent on tuition, the rest to the "college experience"). Now low and behold, it's been two years since graduation but that $250,000/year job didn't find you while you were getting high and playing XBox in your mother's basement. Poor babies, no wonder you're pissed.

It's good to have you back, bro.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Just to turn it around on you..

The people on welfare with 25 kids, driving an escalade with 24's, sitting around getting high and drunk all day aren't the problem. The government is the problem because they let them work the system?

I don't want to start a chicken v. egg debate but I believe the responsibility for the problem in your example is shared. If there were no government programs, how would those people acquire those "necessities"?

goof pretty much sums it up.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by goof2

Now that your hypothetical couple is getting their check anyone attempting to adjust the amount or restrict its use will be labeled as an inhumane asshole

True, but that's kind of like how anyone attempting to eliminate the Bush tax cuts is labeled a socialist (even though those cuts were deemed temporary)

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

To the baby killer thing....EVERY war has collateral damage, or do you all think that no children were harmed during the intense bombing of Berlin or in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I guarantee you that more children were killed that morning in Hiroshima in 5 minutes than were killed during the entire Vietnam war.

Quite frankly, I've always believed that people give government too much credit/blame. IMHO I have the most influence over what happens in my life. When I have it good and I'm doing well, I certainly don't give the credit to the government, why should I blame them when I fall on hard times? I'm sorry that you spent the last 6 years of your life getting a degree in medieval crochet techniques, borrowed $200,000 in Gov't loans (only $80,000 of which was actually spent on tuition, the rest to the "college experience"). Now low and behold, it's been two years since graduation but that $250,000/year job didn't find you while you were getting high and playing XBox in your mother's basement. Poor babies, no wonder you're pissed.

Just wanted to comment on the college thing, while there are alot of people who get degrees in sanskrit or soem other major which opens them to jobs at starbucks and not much else, the people who actualy get degrees that lead to meaning ful jobs def have it a lot tougher with all the raising tuition and associated costs.

I graduated PA school in 2002 and to see that the tuition has more than doubled since then and not to mention the cost in books and supplies is staggering, and I went to a state school. To see tuition and these private schools going over 50k a year is ridiculous and I think thats something else that needs to be reeled in.

[Homeslice]

You can study Greek History or some bullshit like that and still get a very good-paying job, IF you go to a top school and have an outgoing personality. Tons of them get into sales jobs at major manufacturers, and then climb the ladder. Personality & people skills matters more than what you studied.