Cadillac med plan = more income

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by RACER X

i see their brainwashing works well..........keep on getting that "free" medicare........

I see, you are one of those idiots who is afraid of taxes.

No matter, when I say free, I mean it. Had my nephew been born in your shit country, he'd have been refused healthcare, and it would have costed our family hundreds of thousands. My dads med. bills would have been in the tens of thousands. Sorry, the meager amount of taxes I need to pay for all the free services I get, is the next best thing to free. I'm sorry your small mind and beady eyes won't let you see the truth.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Apoc

I see, you are one of those idiots who is afraid of taxes.

No matter, when I say free, I mean it. Had my nephew been born in your shit country, he'd have been refused healthcare, and it would have costed our family hundreds of thousands. My dads med. bills would have been in the tens of thousands. Sorry, the meager amount of taxes I need to pay for all the free services I get, is the next best thing to free. I'm sorry your small mind and beady eyes won't let you see the truth.

I sometimes wonder if you actually believe the nonsense you post or are you just trying to get a rise out of Ed?

[pauldun170]

The question is how do you want to be insured?
Do you want private industry to manage your insurance or do you want government to handle insurance?

With private insurance, you can shop around or thats what I hear. Since my employer covers part of the cost thus hiding the true cost of my insurance plan, shopping around for "alternative coverage" usually results in a lot of "holy shit...that's a lot of money"
So in my case...there are no better deals and I'm forced to take what my employer offers me whatever shitty coverage it may be. I get to watch my insurance cost go up every year in exchange for 30 seconds talking to a doctor and having him either stick a prescription in my hand or sending me off to a specialists who does the same thing but with different equipment.

If I don't like my coverage..then I have the freedom to quit my job and go find a job that offers better health insurance benefits. Hopefully another job whose insurance plan doesn't involve the same huge mega conglomerate that the employers I just quit use.

With government insurance you can get the soup to nuts plan from single payer or if you need something special you can go out and purchase your own insurance.

Canada folks...do you get deductions if you purchase private insurance (vs using single payer)

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Apoc

I see, you are one of those idiots who is afraid of taxes.

No matter, when I say free, I mean it. Had my nephew been born in your shit country, he'd have been refused healthcare, and it would have costed our family hundreds of thousands. My dads med. bills would have been in the tens of thousands. Sorry, the meager amount of taxes I need to pay for all the free services I get, is the next best thing to free. I'm sorry your small mind and beady eyes won't let you see the truth.

So wait, they would have been denied care AND still gotten a bill? Your argument has convinced me.

And FYI - they wouldn't have been refused healthcare... they would have gotten it for free. They cannot turn you down for emergency care... and they can't make you pay the bill when it comes.

Originally Posted by shmike

I sometimes wonder if you actually believe the nonsense you post or are you just trying to get a rise out of Ed?

My thoughts exactly.

[RACER X]

and i have squinty eyes! damnit!

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Apoc

You are using bullshit statistics from Wikipedia.

And those people who had to wait 2 hours in a waiting room, or 4 weeks to see a specialist, its because their conditions were not serious. Your stupid info fails to point out that care of people who are dangerously ill or sick are taken care of immediately. Ya, if you have a sore foot, you might have to wait in a waiting room for a few hours. But if you are severely injured, then you are going straight in to see a doctor. If surgery is required, it is immediate. My father was in surgery for cancer within 2 hours of pissing blood at home. When I had 3rd degree burns, I was with a doctor within 2 minutes of being brought in on a stretcher. Serious injuries or illness is treated immediately. People at the doctor for colds and small aches don't wait long enough,. imo. If they did, it would discourage them from wasting our medical systems time.

And I have never had a problem seeing my family doctor. Call in the morning, and I will have an appointment within hours. The people complaining about wait times are the ones abusing the system, at the doctors office 3x a week for every cough or ache they find themselves with. So ya, all of what you posted was taken completely out of context, and has very little truth to it.

Actually there's more to it than that. Areas of high population density have longer waits to be seen and, because there is bureaucracy involved, those who are better at navigating such bureaucracy tend to get specialist appointments sooner.

I once arrived at an emergency room in an ambulance, after being hit by a car, and lay on a backboard for 4.5 hours before seeing a doctor. It was 2.5 hours before a nurse bothered to check if I even had a pulse. That was in Brampton.

On the other hand I got taken straight off the ambulance and into a ER, after getting hit by a motorcycle up around Caledon. They took me to the hospital in Orangeville (Debs's stomping grounds). I had X-rays done immediately and was out the door in two hours.

Jeez, I get hit by a lot of other drivers.

The difference was the population and area served by the hospital. Around major population centres you wait. In smaller towns and cities you get through almost immediately. Unless you're a motorcycle racer at Belleville General, that is. They'll let you bleed and moan for a while.

On the other hand when I busted my collarbone while (walking) at the track I knew where to go, to get an appointment within 72 hours with one of the top 5 orthopods in the country. A two hour wait in the early morning, in a downtown Toronto ER, saved me weeks on a waiting list.

As to the topic of this discussion, we've paid for our subsidiary health insurance as a taxable benefit for decades. The difference is that ours costs orders of magnitude less, because basic care is already covered. I'm paying for things like a private or semi-private room, rather than a ward bed.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

So wait, they would have been denied care AND still gotten a bill? Your argument has convinced me.

And FYI - they wouldn't have been refused healthcare... they would have gotten it for free. They cannot turn you down for emergency care... and they can't make you pay the bill when it comes.



My thoughts exactly.

I meant to say medicare/health insurance, not healthcare, my bad. His pre-existing condition would have prevented him from having insurance to pay for the bills, and even the co-pays would be ridiculous, if he could get insurance. And no, they cant make you pay the bill, but im sure it'll destroy that persons credit. Either way, there should be no cost to go to the hospital, period. I dont understand why you guys are so defensive over your shit system.

You guy's seem incapable of understanding that we get great healthcare at no cost to us outside of our taxes. Its pretty f'n simple. And our taxes are more than reasonable. Im not sure why it bothers you guys so much that most of us like our system. Most of us don't mind paying taxes. We aren't greedy fucks.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Apoc

I meant to say medicare/health insurance, not healthcare, my bad. His pre-existing condition would have prevented him from having insurance to pay for the bills, and even the co-pays would be ridiculous, if he could get insurance. And no, they cant make you pay the bill, but im sure it'll destroy that persons credit. Either way, there should be no cost to go to the hospital, period. I dont understand why you guys are so defensive over your shit system.

You guy's seem incapable of understanding that we get great healthcare at no cost to us outside of our taxes. Its pretty f'n simple. And our taxes are more than reasonable. Im not sure why it bothers you guys so much that most of us like our system. Most of us don't mind paying taxes. We aren't greedy fucks.

So; you DO believe it?

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by shmike

So; you DO believe it?

Stop acting like a retard.

I believe that taxes are important to a healthy country. I believe that healthcare should be available to all, even those who are poor and pay little to no taxes. I believe that the USA may be one of the most selfish countries in the world. Americans complain about our healthcare far more than we do. You guys are horrified that a few dollars of your money might go to helping someone else. It sick, disgusting, and show's exactly why your society is such a fucking mess.

[shmike]

Well, that's one way to connect the dots.

Thanks for my daily dose of irony!