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[Trip]

Here is a great example to try out that I learned in high school physics.

Imagine a monkey hanging from a branch. You are hunting that monkey. You know as soon as you shoot, that monkey is going to let go of that branch. So where do you shoot?

You shoot at the monkey. Both the monkey and the bullet will be pulled towards earth at the same rate of acceleration due to gravity.

Our teacher had a little contraption that fired a nerf bullet at a stuffed monkey to prove it.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Trip

Here is a great example to try out that I learned in high school physics.

Imagine a monkey hanging from a branch. You are hunting that monkey. You know as soon as you shoot, that monkey is going to let go of that branch. So where do you shoot?

You shoot at the monkey. Both the monkey and the bullet will be pulled towards earth at the same rate of acceleration due to gravity.

Our teacher had a little contraption that fired a nerf bullet at a stuffed monkey to prove it.

I actually have video of that. I'll post it later.

What I'm gathering from Homeslice.
"Dear Einstein.

You're a dumbass

Sincerely, Homeslice"

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

I actually have video of that. I'll post it later.

What I'm gathering from Homeslice.
"Dear Einstein.

You're a dumbass

Sincerely, Homeslice"

Right, because Einstein said anything about the effects of weightlessness on the body.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Right, because Einstein said anything about the effects of weightlessness on the body.

WTF? Einstein's theory or general relativity is based all on gravity and nothing is more important to his study of the affects of gravity than how gravity affects us in a vacuum.

The only possible way your idea of how the molecules within the body vs the entire unit would actually differ in free fall would be due to the molecules closer to the more dense bones slowing down with time as the molecules on your skin being faster in time since they aren't near a larger mass object. The only place with free fall capable of having that affect is if Felix jumped into a black hole. Or if he was near the speed of light.

Monkey getting shot with an arrow. Which if say the arrow came out a velocity only enough to get it 3 ft on the floor but you removed the floor for an indefinite amount, it'd eventualy reach the monkey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48dk...ature=youtu.be

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

WTF? Einstein's theory or general relativity is based all on gravity and nothing is more important to his study of the affects of gravity than how gravity affects us in a vacuum.

The only possible way your idea of how the molecules within the body vs the entire unit would actually differ in free fall would be due to the molecules closer to the more dense bones slowing down with time as the molecules on your skin being faster in time since they aren't near a larger mass object. The only place with free fall capable of having that affect is if Felix jumped into a black hole. Or if he was near the speed of light.

Monkey getting shot with an arrow. Which if say the arrow came out a velocity only enough to get it 3 ft on the floor but you removed the floor for an indefinite amount, it'd eventualy reach the monkey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48dk...ature=youtu.be

Dude, who is arguing that a dart wouldn't fall at the same rate as a monkey? ALL objects will fall at the same rate, unless one of them has a surface area to mass ratio significant enough to increase drag. We already knew this.

Look, I was wrong about the bottled water example..... But the fact remains that you DO feel a fall, because there is a sudden cessation of the mechanical sensation of weight on the body. This causes a different sensation within the ligaments, tissues & organs inside the body. And that "feeling" is gonna happen regardless if you are jumping within a vacuum or a regular atmosphere. You don't need wind or eyesight to know you're failling. That was my whole disagreement with you guys.

[Archren]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

I actually have video of that. I'll post it later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxvsHNRXLjw

And somewhat related, since it's the same concept, but in zero atmosphere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

[Homeslice]

Ok, so then what am I feeling when I'm on one of those "drop" rides at an amusement park? They take you straight up and just drop you. You can't feel that inside your body?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys seem to be saying that the wind is the only reason I feel that sickening sensation, and I'm saying that's BS.

[Archren]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys seem to be saying that the wind is the only reason I feel that sickening sensation, and I'm saying that's BS.

Trip, I think he does have a point to an extent here. I think initially Felix probably felt that sensation, that shift of the internal organs wanting to stay where they were before he stepped off the platform and began to accelerate. BUT... once that rate of acceleration began, he would cease to feel anything after that initial moment, because then everything is accelerating at the same pace.

if that is actually what happened, I haven't read statements from Kittinger or Baumgautner on that initial moment where they stepped off the platform. I do know Baumgautner said at the press conferance after this last jump that once he was under way it was hard for him to tell he was falling.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Archren

Trip, I think he does have a point to an extent here. I think initially Felix probably felt that sensation, that shift of the internal organs wanting to stay where they were before he stepped off the platform and began to accelerate. BUT... once that rate of acceleration began, he would cease to feel anything after that initial moment, because then everything is accelerating at the same pace.

if that is actually what happened, I haven't read statements from Kittinger or Baumgautner on that initial moment where they stepped off the platform. I do know Baumgautner said at the press conferance after this last jump that once he was under way it was hard for him to tell he was falling.

Please reread all my posts. I have actually already made a statement about initially leaving the balloon.

He would of put more forces on his body by moving laterally and away from the balloon to get off. Those forces are forces that would be greater than just the force of gravity and he would of felt that until he reached just pure free fall.

The water bottle example would just be as close to just a gravity pull as you can get.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Trip

Please reread all my posts. I have actually already made a statement about initially leaving the balloon.

He would of put more forces on his body by moving laterally and away from the balloon to get off. Those forces are forces that would be greater than just the force of gravity and he would of felt that until he reached just pure free fall.

The water bottle example would just be as close to just a gravity pull as you can get.

Stupid physics