Awesome human beings

[azoomm]

So, if the cop was being dangerous and an asshole - why would you speed past him and egg him into a chase? How does that possibly end well for anyone? I'm so confused.

My ex-husband is a cop. I fight everyday not to put every cop in the same bucket with him. It's a horrible job, that I wouldn't be able to muster the patience for. I give props to those that can and do.

[Avatard]

So, do you think the account about the police officer actually causing this whole situation will be widely reported? Or do you think bikers will be vilified, and made to look bad, as it always happens?

Oh, look...front page story on CNN. Those evil, horrible menacing bikers...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri...op.komo?hpt=T2

That poor, heroic cop!

[OTB]

Originally Posted by Trip

I am sure the group was being idiots, a group of bikers are almost always being idiots. I am sure the cop shouldn't of chased, get the tag and let them go. Pick the dude up when he is whacking off at home by his computer. No one gets hurt.

Here's the problem with being a cop....no matter what happens, you get blamed.

Scenario 1. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies down the freeway; takes registration info and when he tries to stop; they flee. He does not pursue, calls it in but one of the buttheads makes an oopsie 5 miles down the road and kills a bystander.....

Result: Inflammatory story on "Eyewitness News at 5" and the lead is that "Citizen killed by biker, cops do nothing".

Scenario 2. As original story.

Scenario 3. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies, tries to perform traffic stop, pursues bikers and one of the pursuants runs into the back of a semi at 130+.

Result: Family, friends of the dead biker picket the capitol, calling for an end to "dangerous high speed pursuits" and vow to sue the state/city/county and cop for millions of dollars for wrongful death. Suit of course has no merit, but it will cost the cop thousands to defend his name.

Folks at the state capitol debate new restrictive legislation to ban/curtail "sport bikes"...insurance companies lobby govt and manufacturers to restrict horsepower/displacement....other insurance companies consider dropping sport bike coverage altogether.......

No matter what limited choice(s) a cop makes in this scenario; if it turns out badly, (and it's likely going to unless folks pull over like they should) he's going to take the heat from somebody.... and the Monday Morning Quarterbacks are all going to judge something he has a second or two to make a decision over.....

Ya, ya, I know; "If a cop can't stand the heat, he shouldn't be a cop,,blah, blah...". I AM going to sound like an olde farte, but I guess that is BECAUSE I AM ONE...but if you are doing the usual sportbike pack crap on the freeway (wheelies, stunting, ect.) when the blue lights come on, it's time to pull over and take your lumps (tickets). Nothing is worth endangering the lives of innocents.

And blaming "bad cops" for your bad behavior is just a smokescreen. I have dealt with cops a lot (sometimes daily when I was teaching) and have a couple Baltimore City cops I consider regular and good friends; there are some good ones, some so-so, and some not very nice at all... but it takes a special type of person to put on the uniform and go put yourself out there day in and day out...and time on the job and seeing what you see has a tendency to skew your perspective on people in general towards suspicion and distrust, even for the very best of people....




If you are young, regret is made from the stuff we can't take back and would if we knew better at the time.




Perhaps we should spend or energies talking to and trying to discourage our risk-taking buddies.......



For what it is worth.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Or do you think bikers will be vilified, and made to look bad, as it always happens?

So your argument is essentially that riding in a pack of 30....swerving in and out of traffic...pulling wheelies in traffic....generally acting like entitled fucks.....like the rules of the road don't apply to them....makes bikers look GOOD?

[CasterTroy]

Originally Posted by OTB

Perhaps we should spend or energies talking to and trying to discourage our risk-taking buddies.......

Hell no, screw that....it's about being right and a Net Napoleon!

[Trip]

Originally Posted by OTB

Here's the problem with being a cop....no matter what happens, you get blamed.

Scenario 1. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies down the freeway; takes registration info and when he tries to stop; they flee. He does not pursue, calls it in but one of the buttheads makes an oopsie 5 miles down the road and kills a bystander.....

Result: Inflammatory story on "Eyewitness News at 5" and the lead is that "Citizen killed by biker, cops do nothing".

Scenario 2. As original story.

Scenario 3. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies, tries to perform traffic stop, pursues bikers and one of the pursuants runs into the back of a semi at 130+.

Result: Family, friends of the dead biker picket the capitol, calling for an end to "dangerous high speed pursuits" and vow to sue the state/city/county and cop for millions of dollars for wrongful death. Suit of course has no merit, but it will cost the cop thousands to defend his name.

You left out:

Scenario 4: Cop decides to drive in front of biker group that's been reported as being d-bags then slow down well below traffic speed and block them. Cut off any that try to pass him and then when one does get past, race after him and wreck yourself.

They provide their own no win situation.

I am not saying the bikers are angels and probably deserve lots of tickets, but I am willing to bet the cop is as much at fault for this situation.

[OTB]

Originally Posted by Trip

You left out:

Scenario 4: Cop decides to drive in front of biker group that's been reported as being d-bags then slow down well below traffic speed and block them. Cut off any that try to pass him and then when one does get past, race after him and wreck yourself.

They provide their own no win situation.

I am not saying the bikers are angels and probably deserve lots of tickets, but I am willing to bet the cop is as much at fault for this situation.

See scenario 2

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by OTB

Here's the problem with being a cop....no matter what happens, you get blamed.

Scenario 1. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies down the freeway; takes registration info and when he tries to stop; they flee. He does not pursue, calls it in but one of the buttheads makes an oopsie 5 miles down the road and kills a bystander.....

Result: Inflammatory story on "Eyewitness News at 5" and the lead is that "Citizen killed by biker, cops do nothing".

Scenario 2. As original story.

Scenario 3. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies, tries to perform traffic stop, pursues bikers and one of the pursuants runs into the back of a semi at 130+.

Result: Family, friends of the dead biker picket the capitol, calling for an end to "dangerous high speed pursuits" and vow to sue the state/city/county and cop for millions of dollars for wrongful death. Suit of course has no merit, but it will cost the cop thousands to defend his name.

Folks at the state capitol debate new restrictive legislation to ban/curtail "sport bikes"...insurance companies lobby govt and manufacturers to restrict horsepower/displacement....other insurance companies consider dropping sport bike coverage altogether.......

No matter what limited choice(s) a cop makes in this scenario; if it turns out badly, (and it's likely going to unless folks pull over like they should) he's going to take the heat from somebody.... and the Monday Morning Quarterbacks are all going to judge something he has a second or two to make a decision over.....

Ya, ya, I know; "If a cop can't stand the heat, he shouldn't be a cop,,blah, blah...". I AM going to sound like an olde farte, but I guess that is BECAUSE I AM ONE...but if you are doing the usual sportbike pack crap on the freeway (wheelies, stunting, ect.) when the blue lights come on, it's time to pull over and take your lumps (tickets). Nothing is worth endangering the lives of innocents.

And blaming "bad cops" for your bad behavior is just a smokescreen. I have dealt with cops a lot (sometimes daily when I was teaching) and have a couple Baltimore City cops I consider regular and good friends; there are some good ones, some so-so, and some not very nice at all... but it takes a special type of person to put on the uniform and go put yourself out there day in and day out...and time on the job and seeing what you see has a tendency to skew your perspective on people in general towards suspicion and distrust, even for the very best of people....




If you are young, regret is made from the stuff we can't take back and would if we knew better at the time.




Perhaps we should spend or energies talking to and trying to discourage our risk-taking buddies.......



For what it is worth.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

So your argument is essentially that riding in a pack of 30....swerving in and out of traffic...pulling wheelies in traffic....generally acting like entitled fucks.....like the rules of the road don't apply to them....makes bikers look GOOD?

Yes. I believe if you read back, you'll see that's exactly what I said.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Avatard

I think it would be rather refreshing to meet, or even hear about a nice cop.

All too often, I've only been hearing about the bad ones. Far too often, I've come in contact with them personally.

Had one stand on my front porch, and lie straight to my face and right in front of my then-11-year-old daughter, about how he would handle a traffic case we were involved in. He even lied to the local paper! I have the article saved...

Protect and serve my ass.

For the record, I wasn't talking about cops who kill bikers that run. I'm talking about innocents killed when chases go bad, like a recent case in my area where an innocent (and completely uninvolved) woman, and her 5-year-old daughter were killed.

That shit needs to stop. These fuckers think they are supercops, and end up endangering the populace just as much as the perps.

Sorry, I remain completely fucking unmoved by this oh-so-sad story.

Dude... I deal with 950 18-30 year olds daily... 95 of them report Directly to me daily for any and all issue. yet of those... I spend probably close to 90% of my time with the same 10-12 airmen. They're garbage (airmen... not human beings just not cut out for the AF) they can't get their shit straight...


by your generalization... all Airmen are shit. grow the fuck up man. realize that NEGATIVITY SELLS! that's why the news is always about disasters, war, poverty, the wrong someone did. that's why Gossip magazines sell in droves!

who wants to read about a cop that did his job? that upheld the law day in and out and went home and continued to be a upstanding citizen? shit I almost fell asleep just while typing that!

come on... I refused to believe that anyone is that stupid