Pa. abortion doc killed 7 babies with scissors

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

I agree with most of your post, but with regards to America at least how do you figure we are overpopulated?

Because we've more than tripled our population in 100 years, stupid people are breeding like rabbits, we're running out of resources, rural areas are disappearing faster than ever, and goddamnit people won't pull out.

Cum on the tits people, our future depends on it.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

So the guy kept a bunch of unwanted children from entering society and becoming delinquent criminals? Sounds like he should get a medal...

So if the child is poor, a minority or an immigrant, he is automatically going to be a crimminal? You do realize there is a 2% chance you are wrong.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

So if the child is poor, a minority or an immigrant, he is automatically going to be a crimminal? You do realize there is a 2% chance you are wrong.

My post didn't say anything about poor minority immigrants, it said "unwanted." Is a child who's mother doesn't want him to the point of visiting an abortion doctor automatically 100% of the time going to be a criminal? No, but its going to be a pretty high percentage.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Because we've more than tripled our population in 100 years, stupid people are breeding like rabbits, we're running out of resources, rural areas are disappearing faster than ever, and goddamnit people won't pull out.

Cum on the tits people, our future depends on it.

Our population growth has slowed to a crawl, we still have plenty of resources and plenty of rural areas. I guess I just don't see the problem you do.

[Rangerscott]

Just because there is a patch of green over there doesnt mean bulldize it to build shit on top of it.

[Homeslice]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between aborting at 6 months vs 8 months? Why is one legal and the other isn't? Obviously 8 mos. is riskier to the mother, but is there also a "moral" difference being claimed here?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between aborting at 6 months vs 8 months? Why is one legal and the other isn't? Obviously 8 mos. is riskier to the mother, but is there also a "moral" difference being claimed here?

You are getting at the crux of the abortion issue and the reason why there isn't really a middle ground or acceptable compromise. It all depends on when a person believes "life" begins.

Some say at conception. They are typically the people who have problems with any and all "abortion", often to the point of including the morning after pill in their definition.

Then you have what I would guess is the majority of people. They tend to believe "life" begins somewhere around the time a fetus becomes viable. It is one thing to remove a bunch of cells, a parasite, or however else people choose to classify a fetus that is not yet viable. For many it is quite another thing to terminate, lets call it an organism, that is capable of living outside the womb. That viability is also what influences the legal difference between 6 months and 8 months you were asking about.

The last group seems to either believe "life" doesn't begin until that fetus is outside the womb or it doesn't matter and the decision should be the mother's alone as long as the fetus is inside her. They are the advocates for late term and partial birth abortion with no preconditions. Some in group 2 above also believe this should be an option under special circumstances such as the woman is pregnant by rape or significant birth defects have been discovered.

Again, it really comes down to personal beliefs on the "moral" side of things. On the legal side I think a lot of that has been laid out based on what the majority of people believe about the issue.

[Rangerscott]

From now on. Every year women get an abortion if they need one or not.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by goof2

You are getting at the crux of the abortion issue and the reason why there isn't really a middle ground or acceptable compromise. It all depends on when a person believes "life" begins.

Some say at conception. They are typically the people who have problems with any and all "abortion", often to the point of including the morning after pill in their definition.

Then you have what I would guess is the majority of people. They tend to believe "life" begins somewhere around the time a fetus becomes viable. It is one thing to remove a bunch of cells, a parasite, or however else people choose to classify a fetus that is not yet viable. For many it is quite another thing to terminate, lets call it an organism, that is capable of living outside the womb. That viability is also what influences the legal difference between 6 months and 8 months you were asking about.

The last group seems to either believe "life" doesn't begin until that fetus is outside the womb or it doesn't matter and the decision should be the mother's alone as long as the fetus is inside her. They are the advocates for late term and partial birth abortion with no preconditions. Some in group 2 above also believe this should be an option under special circumstances such as the woman is pregnant by rape or significant birth defects have been discovered.

Again, it really comes down to personal beliefs on the "moral" side of things. On the legal side I think a lot of that has been laid out based on what the majority of people believe about the issue.

"Capable of living outside the womb"...... too bad it won't live very long without being taken care of. Hell, the same is true for most toddlers.

IMO it's no different than people trying to justify why a dog or cat is more worthy of survival than a deer. It's just an arbitrary decision based on physical appeal or what they can or can't stomach.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

IMO it's no different than people trying to justify why a dog or cat is more worthy of survival than a deer. It's just an arbitrary decision based on physical appeal or what they can or can't stomach.

Well, I'd call that a matter of taste