Stand your ground?

[EpyonXero]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/us...s&emc=rss&_r=0

Another Shooting May Test Florida Law
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ
MIAMI — In what could become another test of Florida’s broad self-defense law, a software developer charged with killing a Jacksonville teenager said he reached for his gun and fired eight rounds only after he was threatened with a shotgun.

The suspect, Michael Dunn, 45, of Satellite Beach, was charged Wednesday with second-degree murder and attempted murder.

Mr. Dunn told his lawyer that the victim, Jordan Davis, 17, who was parked at a convenience store in Jacksonville on Friday night with three other teenagers, pointed a shotgun at him through a partly rolled-down window, threatened to kill him and began to open the door. The shooting occurred after a dispute over loud music coming from the teenagers’ sport utility vehicle.

Mr. Davis, a junior at a Jacksonville high school who had moved from Georgia two years ago to live with his father, died after being shot twice.

The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said officers had not found a shotgun in the car.

Mr. Dunn and his fiancée, Rhonda Rouer, fled the convenience store in his Volkswagen Jetta after the teenagers left because he was afraid they would return, his lawyer, Robin Lemonidis, said. He did not call the authorities; the police arrested him the following day, finding him because a witness noted his license plate number.

The case has drawn parallels to the Trayvon Martin shooting because of the age and race of the victim, the fact that no weapon associated with the victim has been found, and Mr. Dunn’s self-defense claim. Ms. Lemonidis is considering using the state’s Stand Your Ground law, which allows people who fear for their lives to retaliate with lethal force, as a defense.

But she said the shooting bore no resemblance to the case of George Zimmerman, accused of second-degree murder in the death of Mr. Martin.

“There is no racial motivation here whatsoever,” Ms. Lemonidis said. “He would have never, ever, in a million years pulled a gun if his life was not threatened. He saw a shotgun, and four inches of the barrel, and the guy said to him, ‘This is going down now’ and popped the door open.”

Ms. Lemonidis said it was possible the teenagers had thrown away the shotgun after the encounter. “How hard did they look?” she said of the police search for a gun.

Ron Davis, Mr. Davis’s father, told CNN that his son, who recently got a job at McDonald’s, did not own guns and that the teenagers in the car had tried to flee when they saw Mr. Dunn’s gun. “He did something that there was no defense for,” Mr. Davis said of Mr. Dunn.

The victim’s mother, Lucia McBath, said Mr. Davis had hoped to join the military. She said she did not view the shooting as a racial crime, despite the fact that her son is black and the suspect is white.

“Something snapped in him,” she said of the suspect in an interview with First Coast News in Jacksonville.

Mr. Dunn, a gun collector who has a pilot’s license, was in Jacksonville for his son’s wedding last weekend. He had one drink at the reception and a glass of Champagne before he left, his lawyer said. When he and Ms. Rouer stopped at the convenience store for wine to take to the hotel, the teenagers in the car next to him were blasting music. He asked them to turn it down. At first they did, Ms. Lemonidis said. But then they turned the volume back up and began cursing him.

When he saw the shotgun and heard the threat, Mr. Dunn reached into his glove compartment, unholstered his Taurus 9-millimeter gun and fired two rounds into the back seat, and then two more. As the car with the teenagers pulled out, he feared they would try to shoot back, so he fired four more shots, his lawyer said.

He returned to the hotel, believing no one had been hurt. But the next morning, after Ms. Rouer saw on the news that a teenager had been killed, Mr. Dunn decided to turn himself in, but in Satellite Beach, about 170 miles away, where his neighbor has ties to law enforcement, Ms. Lemonidis said. Soon after, he went to the neighbor’s home, and the police, already on their way, arrived to arrest him.

[Trip]

be interesting to see if they got video

[Papa_Complex]

Be more interesting to hear if the witness who got the license plate saw anything approaching the accused's claims.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Be more interesting to hear if the witness who got the license plate saw anything approaching the accused's claims.

Uhhhhh, video is a lot more accurate than someone's memory. I would go with video over witness any day of the week.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

Uhhhhh, video is a lot more accurate than someone's memory. I would go with video over witness any day of the week.

It will be typical grainy convenience store video that's even lower quality than my home security system, with a lousy angle.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

It will be typical grainy convenience store video that's even lower quality than my home security system, with a lousy angle.

Some of those fucks got the good shit now, especially in the rough parts of town. Getting plates for gas theives.

[Twobanger]

Hopefully the video will be as good as this one.

http://www.khou.com/video?id=181127601&sec=548357

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

Hopefully the video will be as good as this one.

http://www.khou.com/video?id=181127601&sec=548357

Hopefully so. That was SVGA quality.

[Trip]

I'm sure if there was good video, the cops should have already reviewed it before arresting the guy. If not, they suck at their job.

[Twobanger]

He should have called the police as soon as it was safe to do so. He's probably been arrested for not doing so and for being a flight risk as much as the actual shooting at this time.