Frame Sliders...

Mrs. Colleen · 07-13-2008, 07:56 PM

My husband was telling me that people have different opinions of frame sliders...some love them and some think they do more damage than good. His bike has them so I was asking him if he thought it would be a good idea for me to get some too. Anyway........

I know very little about frame sliders so I want to hear your input. Good stories, bad stories, pics, anything.

Teach me the ways of the sliders!

Mr Lefty · 07-13-2008, 08:48 PM

frame sliders are good for tip overs... for slides... it depends on the quality what they're made of and how they mount. the cheaper ones will snap.... the "bling" are usually metal and tend to dig in and either bend what ever they're mounted to or snap off in the hole. bikes that require cutting usually have a few cheaper alternatives that mount to a fairing tab or what ever and are called NO-Cutt sliders (for obvious reasons) but they are mounted to structurally weak points and usually cause more damage than you'd have gotten with out them.

good sliders aren't crash cages... they help REDUCE damage... not prevent them. they're to keep your FRAME from sliding on the ground... NOT YOUR FAIRINGS! you can buy new fairings with insurance money... but a scratched frame = salvaged title.

I have some cut ones that cost me $160 cause I had to get a new coolant bottle as the slider mounts right in the middle of it. but I got it for the parking lot tip overs and low speed downs... wouldn't expect them to save shit in anything over 60mph. IMO

all of this is based on my gathering of info from here and several other websites... don't have any real life experience with sliders... but I will say that I I had my bike fall over and break a foot peg, rear brake lever, front brake lever, and scratch the hell, and crack my right fairing, as well as scratched my exhaust. all would have been saved had I had sliders. or at the very least... greatly reduced

NONE_too_SOFT · 07-13-2008, 09:01 PM

frame sliders saved my bike, even though the puck wasnt even on cause somebody stole it. without them i would have to replace the shift linkage, rear sets, back tail, mid section and probobly more. like ebbs said, they dont save the fairings, but they do help. a little rash is a better then a lot of rash and cracks and such.

As far as doing damage in a crash, yea they COULD damage the frame in a VERY hard impact, but in that event the least of your worries will be a bent frame. Those types of crashes are bike killers anyways.

Dave · 07-13-2008, 09:13 PM

saved my bike completely when i lowsided. i have lockheart phillips sliders on the bar ends, frame, and swingarm. i wouldnt want to ride without em

fnfalman · 07-13-2008, 09:38 PM

Good frame sliders are worth their weights in gold. I prefer Woodcraft and RhiniMoto.

Amber Lamps · 07-13-2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Good frame sliders are worth their weights in gold. I prefer Woodcraft and RhiniMoto.

Have you "crash tested" the Woodcrafts? I'm waiting to see what Suzuki does with the '09 GSXR1000 asit's a remodel year but if it's similar to what they have now,I'm going to keep my bike and totally re-do it. I really like the closed end look of them.

Phenix_Rider · 07-13-2008, 09:45 PM

They wouldn't have done me any good- you could see that from the damage. Smashed headlight surround would not have been saved. 35mph low side.

On the other hand, they DID save an '02 GSXR on the track. He had aluminum woodcraft sliders. The slider wore down a bit, and the bolt bent, but the only damage on the bike was a few scratches that are barely noticeable. His swingarm spool broke off, but the swingarm was clean. 30 mph high side.

DLIT · 07-14-2008, 01:49 AM

The no-cuts mount to your engine kount, Ebbs, not weaker points. Most of the no-cuts out there have shitty adapters and they aren't locked in place, making the adapter move up or down during a wreck and do more harm. This happened on my first bike, I had shitty no-cuts. So I smartened up and put Vortex on there during the fix. Vortex are a very good slider. They can handle a high speed wreck if it's just sliding on the tarmac or street. The person who bought my '04 R6 had a veru high speed wreck and the frame slider worked excellent. It slid and slid on it preventing much more potential damage. It was worn half way down, but it was still in the perfect cylinder shape, unlike many shitty quality sliders, they'll just warp and make it real hard to get it off.

I would say the best kind to get are the ones with the metal base and the puck attaches to it, like Vortex or Woodcraft. I had a buddy go down at the track this past Saturday and his frame slider held up pretty damn good preventing a bunch of damage, he just replaced his right rear set and he went back out.

Frame sliders are definately a great idea...as long as they're top quality ones.

Mr Lefty · 07-14-2008, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLIT

The no-cuts mount to your engine kount, Ebbs, not weaker points. Most of the no-cuts out there have shitty adapters and they aren't locked in place, making the adapter move up or down during a wreck and do more harm. This happened on my first bike, I had shitty no-cuts. So I smartened up and put Vortex on there during the fix. Vortex are a very good slider. They can handle a high speed wreck if it's just sliding on the tarmac or street. The person who bought my '04 R6 had a veru high speed wreck and the frame slider worked excellent. It slid and slid on it preventing much more potential damage. It was worn half way down, but it was still in the perfect cylinder shape, unlike many shitty quality sliders, they'll just warp and make it real hard to get it off.

I would say the best kind to get are the ones with the metal base and the puck attaches to it, like Vortex or Woodcraft. I had a buddy go down at the track this past Saturday and his frame slider held up pretty damn good preventing a bunch of damage, he just replaced his right rear set and he went back out.

Frame sliders are definately a great idea...as long as they're top quality ones.

actually... most no cut sliders I've seen mount to fairing tabs... not to the motor...

could be that most I've seen were for my bike and that's the easiest bolt to mount to

Amber Lamps · 07-14-2008, 07:44 AM

Yea I had Haris no cuts and the adapter bracket wrapped around the frame so it didn't move when I crashed. I think you can get good quality no cuts but I agree that for the most part you're better off with the cut in ones.

07-13-2008, 07:56 PM	#1
Mrs. Colleen Leather and Lace Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Goleta, Ca Moto: 2005 R6 Posts: 1,810	Frame Sliders... My husband was telling me that people have different opinions of frame sliders...some love them and some think they do more damage than good. His bike has them so I was asking him if he thought it would be a good idea for me to get some too. Anyway........ I know very little about frame sliders so I want to hear your input. Good stories, bad stories, pics, anything. Teach me the ways of the sliders!

07-13-2008, 09:13 PM	#4
Dave Chaotic Neutral Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherry Hill NJ Moto: GV1200 Madura, Hawk gt Posts: 13,992	saved my bike completely when i lowsided. i have lockheart phillips sliders on the bar ends, frame, and swingarm. i wouldnt want to ride without em __________________ TWF Post whore #6

07-13-2008, 09:38 PM	#5
fnfalman Europhile Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SoCal Moto: Aprilia RS125, Aprilia SR50 Factory, Aprilia Tuono, BMW Rockster, KTM 990 Adventure Posts: 1,875	Good frame sliders are worth their weights in gold. I prefer Woodcraft and RhiniMoto. __________________ *Cogito Ergo Vroom - I think therefore I ride*

07-14-2008, 01:49 AM	#8
DLIT Clit Commander Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Las Vegas Moto: 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S Posts: 4,189	The no-cuts mount to your engine kount, Ebbs, not weaker points. Most of the no-cuts out there have shitty adapters and they aren't locked in place, making the adapter move up or down during a wreck and do more harm. This happened on my first bike, I had shitty no-cuts. So I smartened up and put Vortex on there during the fix. Vortex are a very good slider. They can handle a high speed wreck if it's just sliding on the tarmac or street. The person who bought my '04 R6 had a veru high speed wreck and the frame slider worked excellent. It slid and slid on it preventing much more potential damage. It was worn half way down, but it was still in the perfect cylinder shape, unlike many shitty quality sliders, they'll just warp and make it real hard to get it off. I would say the best kind to get are the ones with the metal base and the puck attaches to it, like Vortex or Woodcraft. I had a buddy go down at the track this past Saturday and his frame slider held up pretty damn good preventing a bunch of damage, he just replaced his right rear set and he went back out. Frame sliders are definately a great idea...as long as they're top quality ones. __________________ Dress for the crash. Not the ride.

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07-13-2008, 08:48 PM	#2
Mr Lefty TWFix Legend Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Denver CO Moto: 01 BMW F650GS Dakar Posts: 15,677	frame sliders are good for tip overs... for slides... it depends on the quality what they're made of and how they mount. the cheaper ones will snap.... the "bling" are usually metal and tend to dig in and either bend what ever they're mounted to or snap off in the hole. bikes that require cutting usually have a few cheaper alternatives that mount to a fairing tab or what ever and are called NO-Cutt sliders (for obvious reasons) but they are mounted to structurally weak points and usually cause more damage than you'd have gotten with out them. good sliders aren't crash cages... they help REDUCE damage... not prevent them. they're to keep your FRAME from sliding on the ground... NOT YOUR FAIRINGS! you can buy new fairings with insurance money... but a scratched frame = salvaged title. I have some cut ones that cost me $160 cause I had to get a new coolant bottle as the slider mounts right in the middle of it. but I got it for the parking lot tip overs and low speed downs... wouldn't expect them to save shit in anything over 60mph. IMO all of this is based on my gathering of info from here and several other websites... don't have any real life experience with sliders... but I will say that I I had my bike fall over and break a foot peg, rear brake lever, front brake lever, and scratch the hell, and crack my right fairing, as well as scratched my exhaust. all would have been saved had I had sliders. or at the very least... greatly reduced

07-13-2008, 09:01 PM	#3
NONE_too_SOFT Chopstix / \ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Akron OH Moto: 03 CBR RR Posts: 5,350	frame sliders saved my bike, even though the puck wasnt even on cause somebody stole it. without them i would have to replace the shift linkage, rear sets, back tail, mid section and probobly more. like ebbs said, they dont save the fairings, but they do help. a little rash is a better then a lot of rash and cracks and such. As far as doing damage in a crash, yea they COULD damage the frame in a VERY hard impact, but in that event the least of your worries will be a bent frame. Those types of crashes are bike killers anyways.

07-14-2008, 07:44 AM	#10
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	Yea I had Haris no cuts and the adapter bracket wrapped around the frame so it didn't move when I crashed. I think you can get good quality no cuts but I agree that for the most part you're better off with the cut in ones.