Cadillac med plan = more income

RACER X · 11-01-2012, 10:57 PM

Read this on the Aprilia board, and it would prob. Apply to "us" as well

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Originally Posted by Hellgate

I found out today the my health insurance plan is now considered a "Cadillac" plan. Not really sure what a "Chevy" plan would be as my "Cadillac" plan is like what I've had for the last 20 years.
As a result of owning a "Cadillac", I will now have $16,500 of income value added to my W-2, resulting in paying more income tax. At the same time the amount one can set aside for a Health Spending Account has been cut in half from $5,000 to $2,500.
Nice...

Anybody know about this, our med FSA also has dropped too

fasternyou929 · 11-01-2012, 11:43 PM

You're just finding out about FSA now? Did you know capital gains taxes are going up, too?

Scary how uninformed the below-average voter is.

Particle Man · 11-02-2012, 12:31 AM

Yep. The Sheeple bought into the whole Health Care reform and this is the result.

goof2 · 11-02-2012, 01:01 AM

As I understand it the guy is half right. I believe the government is going to start adding the value of health insurance plans to everyone's W-2, but it is only a part of gross income and is not taxable. Unless something changes in 2018 a tax will start on high value "Cadillac" health plans. The tax will be on the value of the plan over that threshold amount and will be paid by the insurance companies, not the individual with the plan. Of course that tax will ultimately have to come from higher rates for those insured by that insurance company.

Yes, the max amount that can qualify for a Flexible Spending Account (FSA) will be reduced. They are also placing more restrictions on what FSA funds can be spent on.

Homeslice · 11-03-2012, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goof2

As I understand it the guy is half right. I believe the government is going to start adding the value of health insurance plans to everyone's W-2, but it is only a part of gross income and is not taxable..

So what's the point of putting it on the W2 then?

goof2 · 11-03-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Sure is complicated to get sick down there.

This process happens whether someone gets sick or not. Our system has options, options complicate things. For most people it is something to think about for an hour or two once every couple years.

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

So what's the point of putting it on the W2 then?

Don't know, it could be a few reasons. Since it is a government document there are probably penalties for "fudging" the numbers so they have this requirement to easily identify the "Cadillac" plans they will tax and what the tax should be. I suspect there is also some hope that people see the amount their insurance costs and have an "OMG! I want that money, lets go single payer because it is free!" reaction.

RACER X · 11-02-2012, 07:27 AM

http://healthreform.kff.org/faq/will...-employer.aspx

Will employees be taxed for the portion of the health insurance premium that is paid by the employerStarting for the 2012 tax year, W-2 forms provided by employers (in the beginning of 2013) will show employees how much their health insurance costs. However, the reporting is for informational purposes only; employees will not be taxed on this amount. The requirement was originally set to go into effect for the 2011 tax year, but implementation was delayed by the Internal Revenue Service. A separate provision of the health reform law creates a new tax on so-called "Cadillac" insurance plans provided by employers. Beginning in 2018, plans valued at $10,200 for individual coverage or $27,500 for family policies will be subject to an excise tax of 40% on the value of the plan that exceeds these thresholds. The tax will be levied on insurers and self-insured employers, not directly on employees.The threshold amounts will be increased for inflation beginning in 2020, and may be adjusted upwards if health care costs rise more than expected prior to implementation of the tax in 2018. The thresholds are also adjusted upwards for retired individuals age 55 and older who are not eligible for Medicare, for employees engaged in high-risk professions, and for firms that may have higher health care costs because of the age or gender of their workers.

OneSickPsycho · 11-02-2012, 09:14 AM

Hey, at least it's super easy to understand...

LeeNetworX · 11-02-2012, 10:32 AM

I don't use FSA myself but on a related topic my out of pocket cost to provide health insurance to my family is going up 44% in 2013.

RACER X · 11-02-2012, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeNetworX

I don't use FSA myself but on a related topic my out of pocket cost to provide health insurance to my family is going up 44% in 2013.

lee, we max our childcare FSA $5k, and whatever we think we need for healthcare.

can't hurt

whats it going up to? we're at $380/mos for 2013, same as 2012

11-02-2012, 12:31 AM	#3
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11-02-2012, 07:27 AM	#7
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11-01-2012, 11:43 PM	#2
fasternyou929 SFL Expatriate #2 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Moto: CBR1000 Posts: 2,043	You're just finding out about FSA now? Did you know capital gains taxes are going up, too? Scary how uninformed the below-average voter is.

11-02-2012, 01:01 AM	#4
goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	As I understand it the guy is half right. I believe the government is going to start adding the value of health insurance plans to everyone's W-2, but it is only a part of gross income and is not taxable. Unless something changes in 2018 a tax will start on high value "Cadillac" health plans. The tax will be on the value of the plan over that threshold amount and will be paid by the insurance companies, not the individual with the plan. Of course that tax will ultimately have to come from higher rates for those insured by that insurance company. Yes, the max amount that can qualify for a Flexible Spending Account (FSA) will be reduced. They are also placing more restrictions on what FSA funds can be spent on.

11-02-2012, 09:14 AM	#8
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	Hey, at least it's super easy to understand...

11-02-2012, 10:32 AM	#9
LeeNetworX SFL Expatriate #1 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ATL Burbs Moto: '09 Triumph Speed Triple Posts: 4,712	I don't use FSA myself but on a related topic my out of pocket cost to provide health insurance to my family is going up 44% in 2013.