The death of Canadian road racing

Papa_Complex · 08-08-2010, 06:09 PM

Well, I'm beginning to think that's it; no more National series. This hasn't exactly been hidden from the racers, but then again it hasn't been announced. From the sound of things most of the racers, perhaps all of them, had no idea. They just assumed that since the site is generally so poorly updated, or rules are just carried over from previous seasons, that this was just an oversight. I certainly had no clue.

Canadian Superbike Series Ends Sunday, Without The Usual Year-End Points Fund Payout

Aug 07, 2010, By John Ulrich, ©Copyright 2010, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc.

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After Sunday’s Parts Canada Superbike Series finale at Atlantic Motorsport Park, top riders won’t be receiving the year-end points fund payout they’ve enjoyed in the past.

Last year, the Canadian Superbike Champion received $15,000 (Canadian) from the points fund, and the rider who finished second in points was paid $11,000. The fund paid down 15 places, with $8000 for third, $7000 for fourth, $6000 for fifth, $5500 for sixth, $4700 for seventh, $3600 for eighth, $3300 for ninth, $3100 for 10th, $2900 for 11th, $2700 for 12th, $2500 for 13th, $2400 for 14th and $1300 for 15th. As of 7:30 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, the official series website still listed that 2009 payout, here:

http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.ph...=711&Itemid=46

The series also paid the top 10 in 2009 Sport Bike class points, with $2500 going to the Champion and $500 going to the 10th-place rider, and that information was still listed in the Competitor Information section of the official website as well, under "Competitor Features" with a heading of “2009 Purse Structure & Year End Points Fund.” There is no updated information on the site disclosing that in fact, there is no Points Fund for 2010.

Other sections in the Competitor Information part of the official website are labeled as dealing with 2010, including “2010 Rider Entry Lists” and “2010 Rule Book.” Under the heading of “Media Guide Features,” the official website lists “2010 National Class Structure” and “2010 National Championship Points Payout,” which tells a rider that a win pays 50 points and a 20th-place finish pays 1 point, with no mention of money.

Some riders are calling foul and hinting at some sort of protest Sunday over what they see as missing money they deserve and need to cover their bills. “We want to know where the money went,” said one.

But when asked about the points fund Saturday night, series organizer and promoter Colin Fraser, (a former racer who helped run the series starting in 1994 and took it over completely when it faced oblivion in 1997), said “We’ve typically had a year end points fund but we lost a lot of sponsorship support this year. No, there is not one, and we didn’t announce we were having one. I’d certainly understand there’s a problem if we had announced it and didn’t pay it. We didn’t announce it. I didn’t receive the money from the sponsors.”

Fraser says the series faced a dramatic reduction in funding for the 2010 season, with Yamaha dropping out completely as a series sponsor and Suzuki greatly reducing its support. That forced the series to shrink down from six event weekends (including one double-header) to four double-header event weekends.

“Everyone has had to tighten their belts,” Fraser said. “The consensus was that the most important component was to keep the TV package so the teams could continue to get what sponsorship support they can find. I hope in the future to have a series points fund again. But our races have been paying the same purse or better than last year.”

(No 2010 purse money is listed on the official series site, but the 2009 purse is listed as paying $2700 for a Superbike race win and paying down to $100 for 10th. A 2009 Sport Bike win is listed as paying $1000, paying down to $100 for eighth.)

Fraser admitted that he didn’t issue a press release announcing that there would be no points fund in 2010, but insists that he didn’t keep it a secret, either. “When people have asked us, we’ve told them there is no points fund,” Fraser said. “People have been asking us since about February and the answer has always been, no, we don’t have a points fund. I find it unusual that people (who didn’t ask) would assume there’s money that hasn’t been announced.”

smileyman · 08-09-2010, 12:11 AM

Time to invite them to compete with the AMA boys in an 'All Continent' Series? Couple tracks dates N of the border, coupl South of the border. Rules ala European Superstock and let em go...

karl_1052 · 08-09-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

Time to invite them to compete with the AMA boys in an 'All Continent' Series? Couple tracks dates N of the border, coupl South of the border. Rules ala European Superstock and let em go...

The problem, as has been stated, is that Colin screwed up the AMA series.

I would vote for CCS to become the pro series in the states, and FAST can become the race series in Canada. At least one rule would have to be implemented in both series though, Colin Fraiser must be shot on site if he attends a race event or any official meeting.

Papa_Complex · 08-09-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by karl_1052

The problem, as has been stated, is that Colin screwed up the AMA series.

I would vote for CCS to become the pro series in the states, and FAST can become the race series in Canada. At least one rule would have to be implemented in both series though, Colin Fraiser must be shot on site if he attends a race event or any official meeting.

I think that you mean RACE, not FAST. FAST is the racing school.

I think that we could get a fairly good National series through the co-operation of RACE (Shannonville), SOAR (Cayuga), and Turn-2 (the track school that runs out of 'Bogie). Add in TFR (St. Eustache) for the Quebec contingent, then rent Mosport for a round. ARL (Subenacadie) could be the coastal round, as they are for the Nationals now.

Only a few classes would be carried in all those groups; perhaps just Pro Superbike, Pro Sportbike, and Amateur Sportbike. Each group could choose maybe 2 additional, local classes, to act as support races.

Only one problem with that; egos. I don't know the guys at ARL or TFR, but the owner of Shannonville has an ego problem. I like Ken at SOAR fine, but he's got the ego going on too.

CrazyKell · 08-09-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I think that you mean RACE, not FAST. FAST is the racing school.

I was going to ask but wasn't sure.

RACE is a step up from SOAR but both are pretty good series.

Papa_Complex · 08-09-2010, 07:30 AM

At this point, because of Fraser's hand having been in the AMA series, your rules and ours really aren't all that different anymore. A number of Canadian riders take part in CCS and AMA events every year, as it is.

the only track we have, that would routinely get Americans out to race in the past, was Mosport. Even then it was rare to have a supersport or superbike competitor come out; just the USGPRU crowd for 125GP. Now we have Calagogie, which was designed by the same guy who did Barber down there, but the close guardrails tend to put people off.

CrazyKell · 08-09-2010, 09:36 AM

I read about the payouts on cherry picker.

Colin Fraser is a scumbag. Plain and simple. Sin of omission.

Sad for racers too. Don't want to see the series go.

Papa_Complex · 08-09-2010, 09:48 AM

I didn't know you read the Cherrypicker site. Obviously you do, because you just quoted me

CrazyKell · 08-09-2010, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I didn't know you read the Cherrypicker site. Obviously you do, because you just quoted me

I'm everywhere.

I only read there and peruse classifieds.

smileyman · 08-09-2010, 10:58 AM

I was a big fan of the Canadian series back when The Speed Channel covered them. That was a decade ago but I know the talent hasn't declined. Calabogie and Mosport would be great venues and the AMA needs tracks that arent in field oval roadc courses. With two countries worth of sponsors and a healthy North / South rider rivalry we could have a real interesting series...

08-08-2010, 06:09 PM	#1
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	The death of Canadian road racing Well, I'm beginning to think that's it; no more National series. This hasn't exactly been hidden from the racers, but then again it hasn't been announced. From the sound of things most of the racers, perhaps all of them, had no idea. They just assumed that since the site is generally so poorly updated, or rules are just carried over from previous seasons, that this was just an oversight. I certainly had no clue. Canadian Superbike Series Ends Sunday, Without The Usual Year-End Points Fund Payout Aug 07, 2010, By John Ulrich, ©Copyright 2010, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc. (This original, copyrighted material may not be copied, cut and pasted, published or otherwise reproduced in any way in any medium, which means, don’t post this on another website or BBS. If you want somebody else to see this, send them a link or post a link to this page.) After Sunday’s Parts Canada Superbike Series finale at Atlantic Motorsport Park, top riders won’t be receiving the year-end points fund payout they’ve enjoyed in the past. Last year, the Canadian Superbike Champion received $15,000 (Canadian) from the points fund, and the rider who finished second in points was paid $11,000. The fund paid down 15 places, with $8000 for third, $7000 for fourth, $6000 for fifth, $5500 for sixth, $4700 for seventh, $3600 for eighth, $3300 for ninth, $3100 for 10th, $2900 for 11th, $2700 for 12th, $2500 for 13th, $2400 for 14th and $1300 for 15th. As of 7:30 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, the official series website still listed that 2009 payout, here: http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.ph...=711&Itemid=46 The series also paid the top 10 in 2009 Sport Bike class points, with $2500 going to the Champion and $500 going to the 10th-place rider, and that information was still listed in the Competitor Information section of the official website as well, under "Competitor Features" with a heading of “2009 Purse Structure & Year End Points Fund.” There is no updated information on the site disclosing that in fact, there is no Points Fund for 2010. Other sections in the Competitor Information part of the official website are labeled as dealing with 2010, including “2010 Rider Entry Lists” and “2010 Rule Book.” Under the heading of “Media Guide Features,” the official website lists “2010 National Class Structure” and “2010 National Championship Points Payout,” which tells a rider that a win pays 50 points and a 20th-place finish pays 1 point, with no mention of money. Some riders are calling foul and hinting at some sort of protest Sunday over what they see as missing money they deserve and need to cover their bills. “We want to know where the money went,” said one. But when asked about the points fund Saturday night, series organizer and promoter Colin Fraser, (a former racer who helped run the series starting in 1994 and took it over completely when it faced oblivion in 1997), said “We’ve typically had a year end points fund but we lost a lot of sponsorship support this year. No, there is not one, and we didn’t announce we were having one. I’d certainly understand there’s a problem if we had announced it and didn’t pay it. We didn’t announce it. I didn’t receive the money from the sponsors.” Fraser says the series faced a dramatic reduction in funding for the 2010 season, with Yamaha dropping out completely as a series sponsor and Suzuki greatly reducing its support. That forced the series to shrink down from six event weekends (including one double-header) to four double-header event weekends. “Everyone has had to tighten their belts,” Fraser said. “The consensus was that the most important component was to keep the TV package so the teams could continue to get what sponsorship support they can find. I hope in the future to have a series points fund again. But our races have been paying the same purse or better than last year.” (No 2010 purse money is listed on the official series site, but the 2009 purse is listed as paying $2700 for a Superbike race win and paying down to $100 for 10th. A 2009 Sport Bike win is listed as paying $1000, paying down to $100 for eighth.) Fraser admitted that he didn’t issue a press release announcing that there would be no points fund in 2010, but insists that he didn’t keep it a secret, either. “When people have asked us, we’ve told them there is no points fund,” Fraser said. “People have been asking us since about February and the answer has always been, no, we don’t have a points fund. I find it unusual that people (who didn’t ask) would assume there’s money that hasn’t been announced.” __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

08-09-2010, 12:11 AM	#2
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	Time to invite them to compete with the AMA boys in an 'All Continent' Series? Couple tracks dates N of the border, coupl South of the border. Rules ala European Superstock and let em go... __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

08-09-2010, 07:30 AM	#6
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	At this point, because of Fraser's hand having been in the AMA series, your rules and ours really aren't all that different anymore. A number of Canadian riders take part in CCS and AMA events every year, as it is. the only track we have, that would routinely get Americans out to race in the past, was Mosport. Even then it was rare to have a supersport or superbike competitor come out; just the USGPRU crowd for 125GP. Now we have Calagogie, which was designed by the same guy who did Barber down there, but the close guardrails tend to put people off. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

08-09-2010, 09:48 AM	#8
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	I didn't know you read the Cherrypicker site. Obviously you do, because you just quoted me __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

08-09-2010, 10:58 AM	#10
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	I was a big fan of the Canadian series back when The Speed Channel covered them. That was a decade ago but I know the talent hasn't declined. Calabogie and Mosport would be great venues and the AMA needs tracks that arent in field oval roadc courses. With two countries worth of sponsors and a healthy North / South rider rivalry we could have a real interesting series... __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

08-09-2010, 09:36 AM	#7
CrazyKell Vrooom Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: 06 ZX6R Posts: 4,427	I read about the payouts on cherry picker. Colin Fraser is a scumbag. Plain and simple. Sin of omission. Sad for racers too. Don't want to see the series go.