"American cars have horrible quality!!"

[bmblebee]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I've always questioned the CCT issues in bikes. If you believe the internet then every Japanese manufacturer seems to have the issue, and yet the only 'failures' I ever hear about are noisy CCTs. I haven't heard (locally at least) of any actually jumping or cauing additional failures.



And yet the warping/corrosion problems that I had with my Dodge's brakes were something I had to pay for myself, though the vehicle was under warranty, when my Camry's disks were replaced under warranty for exactly the same thing.

I have never seen a warranty that would cover tires, brakes or clutches unless a recall is announced. Getting your Camry repaired was prolly the dealer giving great customer service

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

A lot of this is not due to customer fraud, but because vehicles breaking down only a few miles after warranty and the manuf decides to cover it out of goodwill or because they want to shut that person up. Ford gave me an AWA (after warranty adjustment) for the ignitor in my distributor that burnt out, because it was only a few thou outside the warranty. Well that and the fact that I was an ex-employee and still knew people

Agreed, but the Japanese usually won't cover it because when the distributor bills it back to Japan they reject paying it.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

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And yet the warping/corrosion problems that I had with my Dodge's brakes were something I had to pay for myself, though the vehicle was under warranty, when my Camry's disks were replaced under warranty for exactly the same thing.

You bring up a good point, but its a specific item. Brakes. Very few OEMs will pay for brakes unless its under 6 months old or if the vehicle is a premium unit such as a Cadillac or BMW and is under 12 months old. I have yet to find a manufacturer who can make brakes that don't warp rotors...and I wrenched for a Mazda dealer. I guess you have to buy a Porsche to get good brakes.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by bmblebee

I have never seen a warranty that would cover tires, brakes or clutches unless a recall is announced. Getting your Camry repaired was prolly the dealer giving great customer service

It has to be rep approved, but they prolly just cut the rotors and told him they put new rotors on. LOL

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

You bring up a good point, but its a specific item. Brakes. Very few OEMs will pay for brakes unless its under 6 months old or if the vehicle is a premium unit such as a Cadillac or BMW and is under 12 months old. I have yet to find a manufacturer who can make brakes that doesn't warp rotors...and I wrenched for a Mazda dealer. I guess you have to buy a Porsche to get good brakes.

Funny thing in, the original brake rotors on my 95 Ford Probe lasted until I got rid of it a few months ago.

I've never had issues with warped rotors on the Mazda MX6 i had before that

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

It has to be rep approved, but they prolly just cut the rotors and told him they put new rotors on. LOL

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Funny thing in, the original brake rotors on my 95 Ford Probe lasted until I got rid of it a few months ago.

I've never had issues with warped rotors on the Mazda MX6 i had before that

You drive manuals (I'm guessing) and prolly use engine braking alot.

Mazda brakes warped..in fact when I used to inspect used cars, most OEMs have brake rotor issues.

[Rsv1000R]

The rotors don't warp, they corrode and pit. Because of that the surface swells up, and you get pulsing, just like they're warped. The reason your probe brakes didn't do this, is they are made of metal with more chrome in it, and that costs money. So we get cheap cast iron, that rots. And I've noticed that mine pit on the side that the pistons are on, I presume because there's metal in the pads, there's some galvanic action going on as well.

Also lifts, because of your weather, rotors in that part of the country don't do this.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

You bring up a good point, but its a specific item. Brakes. Very few OEMs will pay for brakes unless its under 6 months old or if the vehicle is a premium unit such as a Cadillac or BMW and is under 12 months old. I have yet to find a manufacturer who can make brakes that don't warp rotors...and I wrenched for a Mazda dealer. I guess you have to buy a Porsche to get good brakes.

Perhaps things are different in Canada where Toyota is concerned, but I doubt it. My rotors were actually replaced twice on my Camry; once a little over a year after I bought it when they were warped, then more than 2 years after it was purchased when they were both warped and corroded. Corrosion typically isn't covered, but they considered the warping to be the primary issue and their responsibility.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R

The rotors don't warp, they corrode and pit. Because of that the surface swells up, and you get pulsing, just like they're warped. The reason your probe brakes didn't do this, is they are made of metal with more chrome in it, and that costs money. So we get cheap cast iron, that rots. And I've noticed that mine pit on the side that the pistons are on, I presume because there's metal in the pads, there's some galvanic action going on as well.

Also lifts, because of your weather, rotors in that part of the country don't do this.

Rotors do warp combined with cheap metal and excessive heat. I had a number of vehicles in CA that the rotors looked new and still warped.