10 Cars That Damaged GM's Reputation

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by smileyman

Same chassis as the cavalier.

Bottom line is they have built shit vehicles for decades and passed them off because there was no viable alternative. They really did sell out for short term greed, and that is where the Japanese always win. They look at the long term and have slowly out paced the domestics. First they srtove to compete then they strove to dominate. GM, Chrysler, Ford deserve to reap what they have sown...

I remember when Cavalier Z-24's (late 80's) with a 5spd and the 2.8 were pretty respectable. May not have been the most reliable cars but were relatively fun for the time period.

[Carolina]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I remember when Cavalier Z-24's (late 80's) with a 5spd and the 2.8 were pretty respectable. May not have been the most reliable cars but were relatively fun for the time period.

I was about to say that cavaliers,berettas were the popular street race machines against the z28/mustangs at least in my town

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I remember when Cavalier Z-24's (late 80's) with a 5spd and the 2.8 were pretty respectable. May not have been the most reliable cars but were relatively fun for the time period.

I had an '89 Z-24 convertable back in the day... it was a POS, but chicks dug it... I knew a guy who had a '91 or so and put a 4.3L in it... it was pretty fucking slick.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Toyota Camry
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Tercel
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Altima
Nissan Sentra
Mitsubishi Galant
Mazda MX-6...

Can I list more than 10?

though my mitsubishi galant was shit! transmission went out twice.... fuck'n autos

[MILK]

I had a Sunbird and a Skyhawk. On one the odometer would go backwards occasionally, only stopping when you hit the brakes. On the other the windshield wipers would come on, only once when you turned corners. I also had to strike the dashboard regularly to fix the radio.

Real winners!!!

[Sixxxxer]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Toyota Camry
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Tercel
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Altima
Nissan Sentra
Mitsubishi Galant
Mazda MX-6...

Can I list more than 10?

Wow...thats gotta be the most ass backwards list ever

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

If the concern is that GM is "too big to fail" because of the loss of all those American jobs, why would Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc. not build new plants and hire those displaced workers?

Wouldn't that give the US a domestic auto PRODUCTION industry without all the bad administrative and benefits legacy problems of Ford, GM, and Chrysler?

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler were gone tomorrow, what would Americans buy? Who would produce those cars?

Sometimes bankruptcy helps an ailing company to become profitable. Other times it helps an irreparably damaged company cease to exist.

the thing is... THEY WOULD... and from speaking to quite a few employee's of both domestic and import automakers plants in the us... the folks work'n for Toyota and Honda seem to be happier. they aren't worried about loosing their jobs at least.

Originally Posted by Sixxxxer

Wow...thats gotta be the most ass backwards list ever

how so? those cars listed did just as much damage to us automakers reps as their own fuck ups... prior to Toyota and Honda... 100K was a HUGE mark... you'd rarely own a vehicle past 100k cause 1. it wouldn't last much longer... 2. it took a HUGE hit to it's value. I'd say Toyota and Honda are the reason that's no longer the case.

shit I haven't bought a truck in the last 5 years that had UNDER 100k (yes all toyota's) go back to the 80's... I'd be wear'n a straight jacket.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Dave

i firmly disagree on k-car derivatives. ive owned two daytonas and they've been pretty damn durable. those early turbo engines required someone who wasnt a complete moron about doing maintenance

they missed the fiero. only rode in one once. about fifty feet down the road before it took a shit on itself

Fieros were badass little cars... I've seen small block Chevy's shoehorned into those things... one of the coolest I saw was actually a 3.4L V6 turbo...

[FT BSTRD]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Fieros were badass little cars... I've seen small block Chevy's shoehorned into those things... one of the coolest I saw was actually a 3.4L V6 turbo...

If you want a brand new Fiero with zero miles on the clock, there is a place called The Fiero Factory near Huntsville, AL. They will build you a brand new Fiero from the ground up.

Here's their website:

http://www.thefierofactory.com/


You can also get a zero time DeLorean as well:

http://www.delorean.com/restoration.asp

[FT BSTRD]

Originally Posted by Ebbs15

the thing is... THEY WOULD... and from speaking to quite a few employee's of both domestic and import automakers plants in the us... the folks work'n for Toyota and Honda seem to be happier. they aren't worried about loosing their jobs at least.

how so? those cars listed did just as much damage to us automakers reps as their own fuck ups... prior to Toyota and Honda... 100K was a HUGE mark... you'd rarely own a vehicle past 100k cause 1. it wouldn't last much longer... 2. it took a HUGE hit to it's value. I'd say Toyota and Honda are the reason that's no longer the case.

shit I haven't bought a truck in the last 5 years that had UNDER 100k (yes all toyota's) go back to the 80's... I'd be wear'n a straight jacket.

I don't get rid of a Honda or Toyota until after they've had 200,000 miles.

In Sixxxer's defense, this is what Toyota and Honda were producing at the time GM was producing the Vega:








At the Corolla Toyota and Accord Honda was producing during the X cars:







And the Camry Toyota Accord Honda was producing during the Saturn years:






Toyota and Honda have been kicking Ford, GM, and Chrysler's ass for decades.