my friends son crashed (not good)

[goof2]

Originally Posted by derf

There is much more to the story than what is presented.

Yes, he was totally wrong and in no way are his actions justified.

But he was a 3x combat vet with a slew of PTSD problems and has been getting worse rather than better lately.

It sucks that he was going through this and it sucks that he died. Despite my sympathy for him and his family none of that excuses him from the laws of man or nature. He suffered a likely outcome from his decisions and his family is now left with that burden. I do not celebrate any of that but at the same time I am personally unable to excuse it. I feel sorry for his family.

[derf]

not an example, just a reason.


anyway, police have released the video

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/25...formation.html

[Particle Man]

Man, he almost dropped it when he pulled over on the bridge. No way he had adequate reflexes for even a fraction of the speed he ended up reaching.

[Tmall]

Every thing has been said that needed to be said. I respectfully hold my tongue.

[LeeNetworX]

I feel sorry for his family's loss and I wish them well.

I will leave it at that.

[EtyrnuSS]

Originally Posted by LeeNetworX

I feel sorry for his family's loss and I wish them well.

I will leave it at that.

This.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Trip

That doesn't make a lick of difference to me, he shouldn't of been on a bike at all if he can't control himself.

Originally Posted by tommymac

More of a reason to keep him off of one. Seem ot be hearing more sotries of guys comming home and having psychological problems and readjusting to society.

Originally Posted by Trip

Sportbikes are too cheap and most enlisted have too much bonus and too little brains to learn to ride them correctly. Ebbs you need to fix this shit.

Originally Posted by zerioustt

How tall is the ladder you used to get on that horse of yours?


First if he does have post dramatic stress they don't check that before you get on a bike. If the story is true and he did have PDS from serving this country then while not an excuse cut him some slack and let him RIP.

Originally Posted by wildchild

PTSD is not an excuse

I agree with Gas. young, stupid, and needless.

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Sorry, but PTSD isn't an excuse.

There are plenty of soldiers that served in war and have PTSDs. Not all of them act stupid in public.

While PTSD is not an excuse, and the result is almost what you'd expect in the situation. It's still extremely sad. No PTSD is nothing new, and IMO is treated like A.D.D. and used as a blanket diagnosis for every little issue that comes up.

However those that truly SUFFER from PTSD, it is no joke. It can blur the lines between reality and non. It can cause a craving, like any strong drug, for adrenaline. It's why soldiers and marines returning from the front lines flock to sport bikes, fast cars, or other adrenaline junkie hobbies.

I agree with FnFalman, millions of vets' suffered from it prior to it's Naming... however I think a lot of the reasons we didn't hear about it, was the amount of dangerous hobbies for adrenaline junkies weren't as numerous, and to be honest, after Vietnam, supporting and caring for our troops wasn't the popular thing to do like it is today.

It pains me to see any soldier/marine/airman/sailor pass for any reason, as I relate to them, and after seeing first hand what can happen to people (worked in E-Meds tent in Iraq) I can't imagine standing next to your bestfriend/wingman and watch it happen. As with all neurological disorders, we have very little idea of how/what to do. I hope, that for those that truly do suffer, we find a way of easing their pain.

I hope he rests in peace. Honestly, I hope this was more of him acting an idiot rather than being so troubled by PTSD that he was lost. That IMO would be truly disturbing

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Mr Lefty

millions of vets' suffered from it prior to it's Naming...

It was named before.

Shell Shock, Battle Fatigue, etc.

It's been a known effect of battle for generations.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

It was named before.

Shell Shock, Battle Fatigue, etc.

It's been a known effect of battle for generations.

true... however they weren't treated like true disorders... they were more just slapping a name to something they had no idea about..

still don't think we understand it all that well.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Mr Lefty

still don't think we understand it all that well.

True