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Old 07-21-2009, 10:18 AM   #1
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My initial reaction to this was that it is BS and it is their job and no fine should be imposed BUT after reading some of the replies here and then re-reading the article I feel differently.

The reason is due to these few lines right here...

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a 9-year-old New Hampshire law that allows lost hikers and climbers to be charged for rescue costs. Mason's rescue was particularly expensive because the helicopters the state typically used were unavailable, and a helicopter from Maine had to be brought in, Acerno said.
Ok this is the law where he was hiking...plain and simple...ignorance is not a defense.


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Mason was negligent in continuing up the mountain with an injury and veering off the marked path, Acerno said. Negligence, he said, is based on judging what a reasonable person would do in the same situation.

When I twist my ankle, I turn around and come down. He kept going up, Acerno said.

It was his negligence that led to him getting into that predicament," he said. "Once he was in that predicament, yes, that's what we praise him for — he used his Boy Scout skills, and that's why he's still alive.
The kid made bad decisions...the law is the law and it was his own fault. The marked trail is there for a reason...stay the fvck on it.

I don't however agree with the amount of the fine...something more reasonable should be worked out imho.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:37 AM   #2
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I didn't read all of this, but when I got hit the Fire Department sent me a bill. I found out last night that according to my health insurance provider only about half of it was 'In Network' so I am going to have to pay for the rest of it out of pocket. Sucks to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:49 AM   #3
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We have the same fine type of situation here.

Idiots who attempt to drive through obviously flooded areas with fast moving water get to pay for the rescue costs. It happens every year during the monsoon season.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:31 AM   #4
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Derf, the kid was an idiot. Everybody knows that much like crashing, getting lost is a choice.

I just have to quote it cuz this made me laugh.

I started off thinking I agree 100% with Kaneman, but after reading some of the replies, this is a tough one. I dont beleive people should be fined for needing assistance, like a house burning down, or becoming lost. But at the same time, I think people should have to pay for being idiots. I dont know which side to lean towards...

What about the child that get seperated from his boy scout troop while camping in the woods? Should he pay?

What about the climbers on Mt. Everest, hit by a random spring storm that wasnt on the radar when they left base camp?

Or the climber who slipped on rocks and fell 100 feet down the mountain and broke his legs and cant climb out?
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:39 AM   #5
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I just have to quote it cuz this made me laugh.

I started off thinking I agree 100% with Kaneman, but after reading some of the replies, this is a tough one. I dont beleive people should be fined for needing assistance, like a house burning down, or becoming lost. But at the same time, I think people should have to pay for being idiots. I dont know which side to lean towards...

What about the child that get seperated from his boy scout troop while camping in the woods? Should he pay?

What about the climbers on Mt. Everest, hit by a random spring storm that wasnt on the radar when they left base camp?

Or the climber who slipped on rocks and fell 100 feet down the mountain and broke his legs and cant climb out?
And then, who decides what "being an idiot" really means? Is it....piloting a vehicle at 70mph with no seat-belt, airbags, ABS, and safety cage around cars that weigh 10 times as much?
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:30 PM   #6
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I just have to quote it cuz this made me laugh.

I started off thinking I agree 100% with Kaneman, but after reading some of the replies, this is a tough one. I dont beleive people should be fined for needing assistance, like a house burning down, or becoming lost. But at the same time, I think people should have to pay for being idiots. I dont know which side to lean towards...

What about the child that get seperated from his boy scout troop while camping in the woods? Should he pay?

What about the climbers on Mt. Everest, hit by a random spring storm that wasnt on the radar when they left base camp?

Or the climber who slipped on rocks and fell 100 feet down the mountain and broke his legs and cant climb out?
Yep that's what I think/wonder as well. I also started off 100 % agreeing with Kaneman...read the replies and then read the story once again and it is a tough one imho.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:01 PM   #7
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We have the same fine type of situation here.

Idiots who attempt to drive through obviously flooded areas with fast moving water get to pay for the rescue costs. It happens every year during the monsoon season.
That totally makes sense to me.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:23 AM   #8
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I don't however agree with the amount of the fine...something more reasonable should be worked out imho.
Yet this is exactly what's going to happen with these types of laws.

Its just another way to get more money out of the general population. At some point the majority of people are going to need some public assistance of some kind, not just stupid people Rider.
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:30 PM   #9
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Knowingly driving through a river and getting lost are on the same page?

You guys are just grasping here.


What about if your sled breaks down in the bush particle? Should have been better maintained? Should have had an extra?
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Old 07-21-2009, 06:17 PM   #10
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I wasn't necessarily comparing the two indidents directly. Just merely pointing out that there are laws here to have people pay fines for "unnecessary" rescues.
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