10 Cars That Damaged GM's Reputation

[Carolina]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I remember when Cavalier Z-24's (late 80's) with a 5spd and the 2.8 were pretty respectable. May not have been the most reliable cars but were relatively fun for the time period.

I was about to say that cavaliers,berettas were the popular street race machines against the z28/mustangs at least in my town

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I remember when Cavalier Z-24's (late 80's) with a 5spd and the 2.8 were pretty respectable. May not have been the most reliable cars but were relatively fun for the time period.

I had an '89 Z-24 convertable back in the day... it was a POS, but chicks dug it... I knew a guy who had a '91 or so and put a 4.3L in it... it was pretty fucking slick.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Toyota Camry
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Tercel
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Altima
Nissan Sentra
Mitsubishi Galant
Mazda MX-6...

Can I list more than 10?

though my mitsubishi galant was shit! transmission went out twice.... fuck'n autos

[MILK]

I had a Sunbird and a Skyhawk. On one the odometer would go backwards occasionally, only stopping when you hit the brakes. On the other the windshield wipers would come on, only once when you turned corners. I also had to strike the dashboard regularly to fix the radio.

Real winners!!!

[Dave]

Originally Posted by smileyman

Really though, my dad was a professional mechanic for the last 35 years and I was literally raised up in his shop. The same could be said about all domestic auto makers. I can list you a few repeats and new additions from Ford, GM, Chrysler...

Chevrolet - Citation, Cavalier, Beretta


Ford/Merc/Lincoln - Festiva, Fairlane/Grenada/Zephyr, Escort, T Bird/Cougar

Dodge / Chrysler - Lebaron, K Car, Horizon, Neon, really most of their sedan line up. Remember the Cordoba?

Thankfully most of these autos were so poorly built we didn't have to endure them for long...

i firmly disagree on k-car derivatives. ive owned two daytonas and they've been pretty damn durable. those early turbo engines required someone who wasnt a complete moron about doing maintenance

they missed the fiero. only rode in one once. about fifty feet down the road before it took a shit on itself

[FT BSTRD]

US automakers have no one to blame but themselves. They have run shitty businesses repleate with exhorbitant overhead producing products of inferior quality to their competitors.

The sooner they go out of business and Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and VW pick up that labor force the better.

The Nissan plan in TN is the shit. The pay and benefits are on par with the Saturn plant in TN. They just produce better vehicles.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

US automakers have no one to blame but themselves. They have run shitty businesses repleate with exhorbitant overhead producing products of inferior quality to their competitors.

The sooner they go out of business and Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and VW pick up that labor force the better.

The Nissan plan in TN is the shit. The pay and benefits are on par with the Saturn plant in TN. They just produce better vehicles.

EXACTLY... I firmly believe that if Toyota or Honda was a American founded automaker... all the other domestic brands would have been bankrupt long ago. they sell on the fact that 1 they're cheap and 2 that they're made in the US.

[FT BSTRD]

Originally Posted by Ebbs15

EXACTLY... I firmly believe that if Toyota or Honda was a American founded automaker... all the other domestic brands would have been bankrupt long ago. they sell on the fact that 1 they're cheap and 2 that they're made in the US.

If the concern is that GM is "too big to fail" because of the loss of all those American jobs, why would Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc. not build new plants and hire those displaced workers?

Wouldn't that give the US a domestic auto PRODUCTION industry without all the bad administrative and benefits legacy problems of Ford, GM, and Chrysler?

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler were gone tomorrow, what would Americans buy? Who would produce those cars?

Sometimes bankruptcy helps an ailing company to become profitable. Other times it helps an irreparably damaged company cease to exist.

[Sixxxxer]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Toyota Camry
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Tercel
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Altima
Nissan Sentra
Mitsubishi Galant
Mazda MX-6...

Can I list more than 10?

Wow...thats gotta be the most ass backwards list ever

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

If the concern is that GM is "too big to fail" because of the loss of all those American jobs, why would Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc. not build new plants and hire those displaced workers?

Wouldn't that give the US a domestic auto PRODUCTION industry without all the bad administrative and benefits legacy problems of Ford, GM, and Chrysler?

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler were gone tomorrow, what would Americans buy? Who would produce those cars?

Sometimes bankruptcy helps an ailing company to become profitable. Other times it helps an irreparably damaged company cease to exist.

the thing is... THEY WOULD... and from speaking to quite a few employee's of both domestic and import automakers plants in the us... the folks work'n for Toyota and Honda seem to be happier. they aren't worried about loosing their jobs at least.

Originally Posted by Sixxxxer

Wow...thats gotta be the most ass backwards list ever

how so? those cars listed did just as much damage to us automakers reps as their own fuck ups... prior to Toyota and Honda... 100K was a HUGE mark... you'd rarely own a vehicle past 100k cause 1. it wouldn't last much longer... 2. it took a HUGE hit to it's value. I'd say Toyota and Honda are the reason that's no longer the case.

shit I haven't bought a truck in the last 5 years that had UNDER 100k (yes all toyota's) go back to the 80's... I'd be wear'n a straight jacket.