tazering, deserved or not?

[Kerry_129]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Undeserved. The man was not acting in an aggressive manner toward the police officer, yet the police officer was immediately aggressive and excited toward the man because he had exited his vehicle. The police officer immediately escalated the situation instead of defusing it using a militaristic, police state type attitude that everyone must immediately follow every order you scream no matter what.

This is another increasingly common example of a complete failure to deal with the general public using basic courtesy and common sense. The officer himself appeared to be very fearful without just cause. Hey, its a scary job...and if you can't deal with it calmly then go do something else.

I agree they (many of them, just based on clips I've seen & not personal experience) tend to have an overly aggressive militant manner. Probably escalates situations needlessly sometimes, but it also probably shocks people into submission who sometimes wouldn't comply otherwise - it seems almost too 'standardized' for it to not be taught as SOP. Still seems over-the-top for them to immediately launch into it with out a bit more calm & reasoned tone at first, before a subject refuses to comply.

But all that is a moot point, because when an officer of the law tells you to quit approaching him/turn around/get your hands on your head - bitch & debate about it on the internet later all you want, but right then all one has to do to avoid raising the cops 'threat response' and possibly tazing your ass (justified or not), is to simply DO IT.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Undeserved. The man was not acting in an aggressive manner toward the police officer, yet the police officer was immediately aggressive and excited toward the man because he had exited his vehicle. The police officer immediately escalated the situation instead of defusing it using a militaristic, police state type attitude that everyone must immediately follow every order you scream no matter what.

This is another increasingly common example of a complete failure to deal with the general public using basic courtesy and common sense. The officer himself appeared to be very fearful without just cause. Hey, its a scary job...and if you can't deal with it calmly then go do something else.

Approaching an officer who has told you to stop is an aggressive action, which warrants the drawing of a weapon. Continued failure to comply with his lawful orders, while continuing to approach said officer, warrants action.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Approaching an officer who has told you to stop is an aggressive action, which warrants the drawing of a weapon. Continued failure to comply with his lawful orders, while continuing to approach said officer, warrants action.

All Police Officers should know how to diffuse potentially tazerific situations before they reach that point. Instead, the asshat in this video is IMMEDIATELY agitated, excited and demanding. The suspect in question is not a soldier in the military and should not be expected to respond 100% favorably to being barked at.

He made no threatening gesture to the officer. The officer was frustrated and pissed that the guy wouldn't bow to his supreme and ultimate power so he continued to scream and repeat the exact same thing over again increasing the suspect's level of agitation as well until he found it necessary to Taze him. I'm aware that officers do not want to get into an argument with an unsubed suspect, however you can't blame Joe. Q. Public for wanting an explanation of what they've done wrong to warrant being arrested before submitting. Barking "TURN AROUND" 80 times does not satisfy that. Again, common courtesy, common sense, respect.

Again, its just another example of a cop that can't and shouldn't be allowed to deal with the general public. We are not their subjects and they are not our kings. Yes, you have to comply with police officers during a traffic stop by law, however as servants of the public they should know how to treat us with respect and deal with the most assholish of us without violence unless absolutely necessary. Taser is a last resort before death, not a tool of submission.

People who desire more power can certainly not be trusted with it.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

All Police Officers should know how to diffuse potentially tazerific situations before they reach that point. Instead, the asshat in this video is IMMEDIATELY agitated, excited and demanding. The suspect in question is not a soldier in the military and should not be expected to respond 100% favorably to being barked at.

He made no threatening gesture to the officer. The officer was frustrated and pissed that the guy wouldn't bow to his supreme and ultimate power so he continued to scream and repeat the exact same thing over again increasing the suspect's level of agitation as well until he found it necessary to Taze him. I'm aware that officers do not want to get into an argument with an unsubed suspect, however you can't blame Joe. Q. Public for wanting an explanation of what they've done wrong to warrant being arrested before submitting. Barking "TURN AROUND" 80 times does not satisfy that. Again, common courtesy, common sense, respect.

Again, its just another example of a cop that can't and shouldn't be allowed to deal with the general public. We are not their subjects and they are not our kings. Yes, you have to comply with police officers during a traffic stop by law, however as servants of the public they should know how to treat us with respect and deal with the most assholish of us without violence unless absolutely necessary. Taser is a last resort before death, not a tool of submission.

Yes he did, he first got out of the car, then he tried to approach the officer after being told to get back in his car. The police officer was more than patient with him. He had over 3 minutes to comply and he didn't. When he screamed like a little bitch I laughed my ass off because he had it coming.

When you are pulled over and you get out of you car, you are trying to hide something.. open container, drugs, weapons, dead body...or whatever. Sit your ass in the car and take your lumps.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Rider

Yes he did, he first got out of the car, then he tried to approach the officer after being told to get back in his car. The police officer was more than patient with him. He had over 3 minutes to comply and he didn't. When he screamed like a little bitch I laughed my ass off because he had it coming.

When you are pulled over and you get out of you car, you are trying to hide something.. open container, drugs, weapons, dead body...or whatever. Sit your ass in the car and take your lumps.

Any officer who would've felt seriously threatened by that man's actions during the incident needs to grow a pair or find a new job. Its your responsibility as an officer to be calm, objective and respectful dealing with the worst of the worst every single day. This officer was certainly not calm from the start. Your statement reminds me of watching Wildest Police Videos when a cop hits someone who's fleeing and then gets on the radio and goes, "HE JUST RAMMED ME!!!" hahahaha

Should he have been prepared for a threatening action? YES, absolutely, he should've had the Taser drawn and ready to go. In the meantime he should've been treating the suspect with courtesy and respect. He did neither.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Rider

Yes he did, he first got out of the car, then he tried to approach the officer after being told to get back in his car. The police officer was more than patient with him. He had over 3 minutes to comply and he didn't. When he screamed like a little bitch I laughed my ass off because he had it coming.

When you are pulled over and you get out of you car, you are trying to hide something.. open container, drugs, weapons, dead body...or whatever. Sit your ass in the car and take your lumps.

I agree. Esp. at night you do not get out of your car and approach police with your hands waving around yelling shit at them.

The cops gave the guy plenty of opprotunity to let them diffuse the situation and the guy simply didn't take it. The safety of others and the officers has to come first before you start spouting off what your rights are or aren't.

Did I think the guy should have been tasered? No because the three cops could have taken him down without it. But, I'm not going to fault the cops for using it. He was warned plenty of times.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

All Police Officers should know how to diffuse potentially tazerific situations before they reach that point. Instead, the asshat in this video is IMMEDIATELY agitated, excited and demanding. The suspect in question is not a soldier in the military and should not be expected to respond 100% favorably to being barked at.

He made no threatening gesture to the officer. The officer was frustrated and pissed that the guy wouldn't bow to his supreme and ultimate power so he continued to scream and repeat the exact same thing over again increasing the suspect's level of agitation as well until he found it necessary to Taze him. I'm aware that officers do not want to get into an argument with an unsubed suspect, however you can't blame Joe. Q. Public for wanting an explanation of what they've done wrong to warrant being arrested before submitting. Barking "TURN AROUND" 80 times does not satisfy that. Again, common courtesy, common sense, respect.

Again, its just another example of a cop that can't and shouldn't be allowed to deal with the general public. We are not their subjects and they are not our kings. Yes, you have to comply with police officers during a traffic stop by law, however as servants of the public they should know how to treat us with respect and deal with the most assholish of us without violence unless absolutely necessary. Taser is a last resort before death, not a tool of submission.

People who desire more power can certainly not be trusted with it.

I see this as an incident that was escalated by an obstinate and STUPID citizen. I agree with Rider's assessment.

[z06boy]

I agree with most of you here.

I do not agree with Kaneman at all.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

respect.

Aren't you a proponent of people earning respect instead of blindly giving it?

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Yes, you have to comply with police officers during a traffic stop by law

And did he comply with the police officer?

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

The suspect in question is not a soldier in the military and should not be expected to respond 100% favorably to being barked at.

He (the guy pulled over) had a gun (a real one) pointed at his head. I'm no language expert but I think a gun being pointed at a head is international language for "do the fuck as I say". If it was a bank robber holding a gun to him and asking for his money in Latin, that dumbasses wallet would be out with the 20/10/5/1s seperated in decending order and on his knees ready to give a blow job to him.

He was wanting to be "big and bad" in front of that cop and got tasered. Infact I wanted to taser the cop after hearing 2 minutes of "Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head. Turn around, put your hands on your head."

Deserved 100%. 20 years ago he would have had his ass beat by the 2nd "turn around"