2011 Big Four model changes?

[smileyman]

Rocket III for serious tire carnage!

Liter bikes are point and shoout for many reasons:

Weight, usually 50 lbs heavier.
Crankshaft and reciprocating engine weight.
Engine power delivery on throttle take up and tire management.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

Originally Posted by derf

I got the shovel.

Really though the newest batch of 1k's are they even any heavier than the 600s now? By what 30 lbs? 5 or 10 years ago yes the liter bikes were much more point and shoot bike, but they have grown so much on the last decade to the point where an 09-10 CBR1k or ZX10r really can handle like a 600.

exactly my point. some of you guys want to make the liter bikes seem like they are just bothersome and terrible in turns, but its just not true. my 2003 600 weighs in at 370 dry, a 2006 1000rr comes in at 388 dry...

We're talking weight differences under thirty pounds for the most part. I weigh 160 lbs... i'd venture to guess a lot of the people arguing that a liter bike wont handle like a 600 are upwards to 200lbs. seems your 40lb love handles would affect the center of gravity much more on a 600 than my added engine weight would effect my riding on a 1000.

[Homeslice]

It's not just about total mass.........it's reciprocating mass as well. The crank, pistons, rods, cams, and transmission gears. If the sum of those parts is greater in Bike X than it is in Bike Y, you're going to feel it. Objects in motion resist change in motion.

[Amber Lamps]

Liter bikes rule!!! Oh and my '88 V-Max was the worst destroyer of rear tires I have ever owned!!!

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

It's not just about total mass.........it's reciprocating mass as well. The crank, pistons, rods, cams, and transmission gears. If the sum of those parts is greater in Bike X than it is in Bike Y, you're going to feel it. Objects in motion resist change in motion.

They also spin at a lower rpm...

[Homeslice]

If you're a racer with a 1000, then yeah, you'd use lower rpm at probably every point on the track.......But street riders? When I owned a 600 it's not like I went screaming around at 10K everywhere. Shit I probably only hit 10K like once a day. The need and/or the opportunity just don't present themselves on the street.

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

If you're a racer on a race track, then yeah, you would always use lower rpm's on a liter bike than you would on a 600.......But street riders?

In that case, a litre bike actually can be at a significantly lower rpm. You can lug a litre through the corner because of the larger amount of tq on hand. You roll into the throttle of a 1000 at any rpm and it gets going in a hurry. Do it on a 600 and you're met with... A delay.

mph to mph the 1000 will always be spinning at a lower rev.

[smileyman]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

If you're a racer with a 1000, then yeah, you'd use lower rpm at probably every point on the track.......But street riders? When I owned a 600 it's not like I went screaming around at 10K everywhere. Shit I probably only hit 10K like once a day. The need and/or the opportunity just don't present themselves on the street.

They do on the highway.

i have had alot of experience in the Ozarks chasing ZX10s and Gsxr 1Ks with my 636. I can corner inside them and roll open quicker, they can't. They corner hard and they have to feather the throttle on the edge of the tire, spinning and throwing rocks and gravel at me.

when they brake deep, square off, and get opened up on the fat part of the tire they drive off and leave the 636. All while spending major cheddar of tires.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by smileyman

They do on the highway.

i have had alot of experience in the Ozarks chasing ZX10s and Gsxr 1Ks with my 636. I can corner inside them and roll open quicker, they can't. They corner hard and they have to feather the throttle on the edge of the tire, spinning and throwing rocks and gravel at me.

when they brake deep, square off, and get opened up on the fat part of the tire they drive off and leave the 636. All while spending major cheddar of tires.

And the zx6 destroyed the r1 in laptimes on motorcyclist's bike of the year test last year. Guess which one they picked? Hint: it wasn't green

[smileyman]

Dont blame em, I want an R1 too, but Its all in what you prefer but just for arguments sake...here are some real numbers from Sportrider...
Honda 600RR wet 412
Honda 1K wet 442
Yammie R6 wet 427
R1 wet 477
ZX6R wet 421
ZX10 R wet 462