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[Sixxxxer]

Originally Posted by shmike

Except in some very rural areas, isn't every gas station pay before you pump?

Like tommy said, Not in NJ...And Oregon.

[pauldun170]

Weren't people warned....like every year for the past ten years that we'd all be paying over $5 a gallon?

10 years is a long time to be prepare for an extra couple bucks at the pump....for pansies that is.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Weren't people warned....like every year for the past ten years that we'd all be paying over $5 a gallon?

10 years is a long time to be prepare for an extra couple bucks at the pump....for pansies that is.

This is why I don't understand the whole "Its the oil companies/speculators/whoevers manipulating the market" thing. Expensive gas shouldn't be coming as a surprise. Demand is far outpacing supply. The only reason oil dropped back down from its 2008 highs was because the global economy got wasted and the demand for oil declined. There hasn't been any significant increase in supply since then and now that demand has rebounded we are right back where we were. Blaming the "speculators" is fine and all but it fails to recognize that they are most likely speculating accurately.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

This is why I don't understand the whole "Its the oil companies/speculators/whoevers manipulating the market" thing. Expensive gas shouldn't be coming as a surprise. Demand is far outpacing supply. The only reason oil dropped back down from its 2008 highs was because the global economy got wasted and the demand for oil declined. There hasn't been any significant increase in supply since then and now that demand has rebounded we are right back where we were. Blaming the "speculators" is fine and all but it fails to recognize that they are most likely speculating accurately.

Perhaps because they aren't building refineries, to meet the demand? It's an artificial restriction.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Perhaps because they aren't building refineries, to meet the demand? It's an artificial restriction.

They claim it isn't by choice but due to over-regulation making building new refineries untenable. Its possible that is wrong but I tend to believe it. Add in that fluctuations in gas prices have pretty well mirrored the same in oil prices and I also tend to believe it is currently a raw material (oil) cost issue rather than production (refining) capacity issue anyway.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

They claim it isn't by choice but due to over-regulation making building new refineries untenable. Its possible that is wrong but I tend to believe it. Add in that fluctuations in gas prices have pretty well mirrored the same in oil prices and I also tend to believe it is currently a raw material (oil) cost issue rather than production (refining) capacity issue anyway.

In other words they don't want to build if they have to meet today's environmental regulations, when their old refineries were very likely grandfathered?

I don't know about down there, but up here the 'fluctuations' haven't exactly followed the per-barrel price of oil. They've gone up in pace with the rises. They haven't fallen as much as they should have. As a result over the last several years gas has gone from the high $0.7X per Litre range, to a current price in excess of $1.15 per Litre.

[Sixxxxer]

You could tell me we're gonna pay 10 dollars a gallon in 6 months.

I still wont fucking listen.

We as citizens have basically settled for these prices (frankly bc there isnt shit we can do) short of a massive decrease in demand for gas (which would basically require everyone to stop driving all together for well over a few years span) theres not shit we can do.

Boycotting wont do anything, Eventually your going to need gas no matter what. Sure we can start to carpool use Mass transit and drive less but these little things arent going to affect the gas companies unless EVERYONE does it.

Hell on my days off from work...I usually dont drive anywhere...and If i do I wait for my girl to come home and we take her Elantra instead of me driving my Ram.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Sixxxxer

You could tell me we're gonna pay 10 dollars a gallon in 6 months.

I still wont fucking listen.

We as citizens have basically settled for these prices (frankly bc there isnt shit we can do) short of a massive decrease in demand for gas (which would basically require everyone to stop driving all together for well over a few years span) theres not shit we can do.

Boycotting wont do anything, Eventually your going to need gas no matter what. Sure we can start to carpool use Mass transit and drive less but these little things arent going to affect the gas companies unless EVERYONE does it.

Hell on my days off from work...I usually dont drive anywhere...and If i do I wait for my girl to come home and we take her Elantra instead of me driving my Ram.

If this stuff continues along with the expected increases anyway I think we will see more drastic measures. Everyone bitches about it but thats usualy as far as it goes. Given the current economy I think it will force more people to make some hard decisions on stuff.

[Sixxxxer]

Its ashame really...Because I enjoy Driving. I used to just drive around burn a tank of gas and go home...with no real destination.

Not so much anymore.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Sixxxxer

Its ashame really...Because I enjoy Driving. I used to just drive around burn a tank of gas and go home...with no real destination.

Not so much anymore.

Sucks too becasue sometimes we put the baby in the car and drive around to get him to settle down.

Witht he warmer weather I can let him cry, go outside and drink a beer and let the cats deal with him